Let's just stick to the plan, ok? All the possible presidents from the positions 5-10 are unconfirmed at this point so there is no reason to take a risk and elect more than 2, which is the minimum before the presidency comes back to me. Subtle suggestions for the possibility of 3 presidents will be considered highly suspicious by me.

If we voted ZFR, then we wouldn't be able to elect brasas or Blotunga from the 8-10 positions and we would have to elect cristigale and we have no info on her.

If you play with noobs (me included), don't try fancy moves. A straight game has worked well until now.

Me neither. Pretty sure we still have ZFR, Dedo, me then Cristi before Brasas.

I'm not sure what to make of this exactly. One thing I was hoping to take out of this election is ZFR's alignment based on who might try to derail it (or whether than turned out to be nobody in which case he'd be almost definitely fascist given our lead). When I saw Kusu fight it, my first thought is that's one fascist trying to derail a liberal win. But now Scene and Dedo seem adamantly pushing against too. The problem with Kusu and Scene being both fascists on a team though is that it should be clear to Kusu (in that scenario) that Scene would get them the right result. Unless Scene is trying to provide more cover for himself if he has to betray ZFR?

Now I also find it weird that Dedo is trying to pair me with ZFR too. If we were paired, don't you think it odd that I derailed his earlier candidacy with Kusu? I was the one who originally suggested that I was uncomfortable with 2 unknowns vs. the next election with a known commodity. From that it should probably be clear that if I were

At this point I'm as confused as most wondering if this is liberal paranoia as we are well in the lead, or whether some combination of the above are trying to create enough confusion to eke out a come from behind win.

On the liberal paranoia front, why are so many people thinking anyone else is going to take the investigative word of any president who just passed a fascist policy? Either people are overthinking things or someone is trying to change the tide of combat.

For the fascists to win, they will have to succeed 4 times before we succeed twice (and the 4th is the election of Hitler).
In the process of these failures, we will gain significant information. The next 2 probably contain some doubt especially since I'm not sure where Scene is coming from and the second contains unknown factors. But the 3rd looks like it's a Greek/Lift government that seemingly can only fail with bad cards. The 4th leaves the option of Scene if he proves himself, or we can skip him in favor of Lift.

Odds still greatly favor us.

Still, it isn't going to be an easy victory. In the second round, there will be at least 3 liberal policies out of the deck, so we may have to grind a bit before a liberal policy appears. I would be safer if we pass one more liberal policy before the shuffle. So if the next government passes a fascist policy, I would like to investigate brasas or Blotunga in this order of preference.

All have voted save for Brasas and Cristigale.
Cristigale has been dozing, and shall be slapped.
*slap*

Hopefully we won't have to investigate anyone. The problem I see is that any investigation result in the next 2 elections will be the result of an unproven president who just passed a fascist policy.

Let's say for example that the next government passes a fascist policy...with or without a dispute...
Doesn't matter if it's ZFR/Dedo or me...
If they investigate Brasas, regardless of the reported result, should you trust them? Are they telling the truth? Or are they pulling a double-bluff counting on you to distrust them?

The only reason I suggested there is an option we could go 3 steps instead of 2 is because if the first (ZFR) passes a liberal policy, it gives us more room to maneuver. Should it go fascist, there is almost no choice but to go the short route and get to the 2 presidents who can be nearly 100% trusted to be liberal or Hitler.

By the way:
Odds immediately after the reshuffle with 4L passed (2L/10F)
3L0F = Impossible
2L1F = 1/22 = 4.5%
1L2F = 9/22 = 40.9%
0L3F = 6/11 = 54.5%

Odds immediately after the reshuffle with 3L passed (3L/9F)
3L0F = 1/220 = 0.5%
2L1F = 27/220 = 12.3%
1L2F = 27/55 = 49.1%
0L3F = 21/55 = 38.2%

@mods: can you poke cristigale? I know she said, she warned us all that doesn't have much time. But it's 4 days since she last was seen here. I think that warrants a reminder.

I meant: can you poke her via PM, if you didn't do so already. I don't know if she will see the slap in the thread here without actually being here. ;-)

On it!

Thanks!

While we wait, is everyone comfortable claiming what they vote(d)?

My memory might be faulty and I don't have time to reread everything now, but I have:

Greek - ?
Kusu - NO
scene - NO
Lift - ?
ZFR - ?Yes?
Dedo - ?No?
RW - YES
Cristi -
Brasas - NO
Blotunga - YES

?$^%Yes!#$

Correct.

Responding to this one since we are in a holding pattern...

It should be noted that these are reports from President/Chancellor combinations that have all passed liberal policies. Hence more likely to be trustworthy.

In response to your idea of testing new people rather than risking a bad draw discrediting a liberal...

The thing is regardless of the odds, the only way to pass liberal policies (especially given the lead) is to either have 2 liberals in government or 1 liberal and 2Ls in the draw. Otherwise a single fascist will discard the liberal policy. Given the number of tested liberals and that all policies passed thus far have been liberal, the pool of unknowns does not produce great odds for a good outcome.

To be honest, I worry about you given how you seem to keep advising us to change course while our current course has given us a 3-0 lead.

Sorry. Currently I'm very busy at work but since we are on hold anyhow, it's a good time to be busy! :-)