It's more to do with the technology than the content. Running a profitable ad business on freenet would be hard, period. On the "normal internet", I guess it could be doable but my understanding is that such an open manner of hosting is most vulnerable, and the last thing they'd want to add is third parties that leave a money trail (which materializes as soon as you're getting income from ads). If they want money, they probably just straight up ask for it in exchange for the content. You could implement something like that, in theory. There's a hops-to-live counter that goes with the requests. But (IIRC) it is decremented probabilistically, so it's not reliable. I'm not sure its value is propagated back once you get a response though, so you'd probably have start with a small HTL and keep making requests with higher HTL until one succeeds. There's also randomness involved in routing so if something takes only a couple hops, was that because had a lucky route, or was it because a nearby node had requested that data recently? Or was it because some faraway node had requested it some time ago and one of the nearby nodes happened to cache it along the way? There are so many unknowns.. The client uses a fixed number of connections and you can't just have any node of your choosing make a connection with you. On opennet (where the client connects to random strangers instead of selected friend nodes) you could probably connect to a node of your choosing if you can launch a denial of service attack against their peers and then offer to connect your own node.

The other problem is that by the very action of making these requests, you're actually causing nodes across the network to cache the data for you. So you're causing copies of it to be created. Suddenly something that wasn't popular might start to seem popular if you've requested it a thousand times from different locations on the network!

It'd probably be easier to just install a large number of nodes and start counting requests though. There are no links to nodes, just hashes (of encrypted content) and keys (for signed content). Where something ends up being hosted is effectively random. Nodes start with a random location (a number between 0 and 1), and when you upload a file, it's encrypted and hashed and the upload is routed towards a location that is derived from the hash. When someone wants to download that file, they make a request for that hash, route that request again towards the location derived from that hash. Peers pass the request along in the right direction (or return the data if they have it), possibly caching the response once it arrives. There's a bit of shuffling and randomness involved in routing too, to make it harder to track and identify who's requesting what. Sure. That'd be a fair amount of effort for ad-pennies.

If you just wanted to know what's popular, you could install a ton of nodes on the opennet and keep count of requests, I suppose. Probably costs more than the yield from ads is, though.

Believe it or not, no. See, Let's say I ran a business selling legal porn, just to keep it related, but it doesn't relaly have to be. There's no reason why i should be investigated on why i'm paying some random shmuck. I can choose to do it for the hell of it. Oh, he happens to have child porn on his computer if you investigate him? But why are you investigating this guy i'm giving money to? He's advertising for me on the "deepweb," and i'm paying him for % of the hits i get, i don't really know anything about his methods of advertising (wink wink), 'cause i'm not on the deepweb to be aware of what he's doing.

Now, from the perspective of the child pornographer, they might actually have no idea what i'm doing, 'cause maybe I did more than just child pornography. Even if they did, i know that since they don't distribute the same material, i could rely on the fact that they'd deny it, if somehow they came under investigation, and they very likely wouldn't come under hard investigation if they're not doing the illegal thing that i'm doing, right? Well, we do the traceroute for a reason as well. The unknowns usually don't matter, especially so if you have a large sample size. If you publish something, then try to go get it back immediately, you can get a number. If the next time you go to get it, the number is smallre, then you know things have improved. I've seen people use this method on programs like WinMX to see if their prank named after a famous song propagated: just count how damn hard it is to find someone else who has it. Well, the idea is to take what's stated above to attempt random sampling. That sounds just lovely. And the average user actually understands this? Not that it matters to the central point, but it does present another angle.

Though, I imagine that this caching would have to be cleared every so often to prevent someone from, say, DDoSing the network simply by downloading a bunch of different files to gum up everyone's caches, especially hoping to pick up a node along the way with low cache space. And this sounds like an accident waiting to happen legally: in many places you inevitably end up guilty for hosting the illegal content simply by being a part of the caching bit. That, too, but that's only really practical for people who have a larger operation, so the pedophiles "on the border." Uncle joe who posts content related to his niece or nephew is a different story. So is there a host that ends up holding something indefinitely, or do things tend to get lost over time as caches are deleted and everything's a cache instead of there actually being an upload (thus, if i want to keep it on the network, i have to constantly upload it)? Yeah, and that would most likely end up falling under "other incentives." Depends, really. Effectively, you just need a bunch of nodes, and this would be far more practical for a larger group looking to handle ads for more than just one service.

Probably about as well as the average user of other p2p filesharing systems (such as bittorrent) understand that they're taking part in distribution. DDoS attacks are definitely possible if you can afford enough nodes and bandwidth to make it a reality. There are bandwidth limits so you can't simply throw in a single node and clog the peers with a 10 gigabit fiber. Plausible deniability. Well, pretty much the same reason we can't really hold ISPs or (say) Dropbox accountable if someone passes encrypted CP through them. I'm not sure where we're headed legally; in Finland, they want people such as forum operators made accountable for their users' posts (including things like hate speech). It's kinda problematic if you don't have the capacity to monitor everything. Nevermind if people start posting encrypted. (And this kind of policymaking makes me think anonymous, decenteralized, censorship-resistant networks are more important than ever before) Obviously storing everything indefinitely would require indefinite storage space. Yes, old things will get lost over time unless it's popular enough or someone keeps re-uploading.

What is the simplest to write? : porn can lead crime related crimes (this is just an example, im not claiming porn can lead to crime related offenses).
or porn is a crime when the discussion is with the same person and the topic beeeing the same?

For me its just easyer to sometimes shorten what i write especially when wtriting answers to the same person i discussed with before so i dont have to type 10000 words evrytime because i trust the oppisite person to actually remember what we were talking about....

Just for you though il dig up some of the responses i gave before
since it seams to be needed :
Quote : Defending censorship with undocumented claims that it migth affect somone to commit the crime of sexual abuse is pretty outlandish as well as claiming that children can copy the act since that requires somone to actually provide them with said images (unresponsible adults) and until i see some clear evidence that pixelated loli pictures wich doesnt represent reality at all , leads to increase in child sex abuse i wll keep my stance on the matter.

Quote 2 :
As one can read, the youth in the link did not have an issue with porn, in fact some of them saw it as denying potential real humans sex.
The logical thing then woud asume that some people that read loli woud think in the same vein.
They dont have a desire to abuse real children/molest real children.
In other words they dont see the drawings as real children at all.
There have even been cases where fans of loli have reported real child abusers (people sharing real photos)

so its shoud be ovious that im still talking about arguments against the claim that watching porn or reading loli can lead to crime related offenses unless you want me to post 100 % accurate evry post. Il mention that somone actually complained that this trhead had become a Novel wich i why earlier made the comment abouth this migth not be rigth place to discuss it. The forum woud perhaps been better.

And i havent claimed porn on the harddrive can lead to a loss of virginity
i have said its usually percived as a loss of innocence, thats a totally difrent thing than loosing virginity.

The santa effect doesnt have anything to do with protecting loss of innocence
allthough in some cases the act of using the santa effect migth have an effect for a limited period of time to make the kid belive dowloading porn is wrong.
The santa effect is beeing told if you behave in certian ways then good things will happen to you boosted by giving treats or gifts and generally being positive about the subject. For example if you convince somone that fake pills works well and cure you withouth telling them that the pills are fake, theres a good chance that the person being told that will belive the fake pills will work and as a result it migth have an effect. If you told a person that are afraid of higths to take the fake pills, it migth have an effect on curing his aneixity about higths but in reality its the mind thats doing all the work.. In other words instead of calling it the santa effect the term Placeboo is probably a more correct word.

Loss of innocence is not something youre being told or influenced by.
Its simply the person breaking the expectations society and parents have placed on the individual when they reach the age of reason. With the age of the internet this happens much faster and earlier than before and in some cases young people have more knowledgde than adults.

Society and parents dont tell kids to break the law unless the parents are unresposible to make one example
But the kids can choose to rebell and do a crime/braking the rules even though they know its wrong or having being told its wrong and are understanding the concept of it.

Btw, i didnt ask if Ensteins math can evolve and be better/added to by other scientists. I asked if his answer on the math i presented was not 100 % conlusive.
Even if you add quantum mechanics it doesnt deny that einteins math or theory is 100% correct.
The atomic bomb woudnt have existed otherwise,if there was no conclusive evidence. This however doesnt mean there cant be math that add more proven math or theory in the future to other questios in physics and quantum mechanics.

Einstein's formula plays second fiddle in that derivation - it's all about different kinds of energy. Sure, there are some radioactive decay processes following nuclear fission, and, if so inclined, one can view the decay of a neutron decaying into a slightly lighter proton as a transformation of rest energy into other energy forms. But these additional processes contribute a mere 10 per cent of the total energy set free in nuclear fission. The main contribution is due to binding energy being converted to other forms of energy - a consequence not of Einstein's formula, but of the fact that nuclear forces are comparatively strong, and that certain lighter nuclei are much more strongly bound than certain more massive nuclei.

Still, E=mc2 had a supporting role in the story of nuclear fission research. Not as the mechanism behind nuclear power, but as a tool: Because energy and mass are equivalent, highly sensitive measurements of the masses of different atomic nuclei gave the researchers important clues about the strength of the nuclear bond. Einstein's formula does not tell us why the nuclear binding energies are as large as they are, but it opens up one way (among several) to measure these binding energies.

Loss of innocence is IMO the person realising the break of expectations. And dealing in whatever way with it.

Innocence is IMO the absence of knowledge of expectations about "how to behave". A cat plays with a mouse in ways that deem us cruel, even sadistic. At the same the cat is innocent, because she really doesn't know (or care) how we feel about her behaviour.
The same goes for the behaviour of human children. It's the adults who introduce them to "guilt" and "shame", and so take away "innocence". It's a necessary evil, since society wouldn't work otherwise - we can't all live at the Blue Lagoon.

well i kinda said the same thing
but i didnt express it in the same way.
I was unsure how to explain it since english isnt my main language

i wrote this as well : Society and parents dont tell kids to break the law unless the parents are unresposible to make one example
But the kids can choose to rebell and do a crime/braking the rules even though they know its wrong or having being told its wrong and are understanding the concept of it.

Its basicly the same as you wrote with a few caveats.

Yes, I kind of picked that up from you. I didn't mean to contradict you. :-)

So false incentiviatons as well. People who don't pick up on the underlying system can see 1 request as a bunch of people taking an interest in their work. I'm thinking of just DDoSing via requesting a bunch of files that you just send to /dev/null intsead. By making a bunch of requests, you could, in theory, DDoS by gumming the cache without a proper cache control scheme. Basically, if everyone's trying to transfer your /dev/random file to your other node, you could create hell for ever node in between, in theory. Yeah, the changes in things today are quite scary. I might've said it in an earlier reply, but the way things are going, everyone is guilty of child porn, usually. Go to one random website, find someone in a porn advertisement where you were looking to pirate music or something instead. Stores unencrypted on your computer in your cache files. And, if the government really wants to, you're guilty even if there's nothing there. Planting evidence with plausible deniability is a thing, too. For this reason, i'm skeptical of law for these things as a whole, to begin with.

As for the liability of mods and stuff, that's no surprise. Even if you had the capacity, we're playing too much whack-a-mole for this to be done effectively. Hatespeech laws and rules are retroactive, which means you pretty much have to delete your entire forum history on alot of sites to comply with laws. No one has the capacity to go through years of history where something has suddenly become illegal. It's the problem with internet censorship as a whole. If it were really up to me, we would just go back to the days where we accepted that the internet is wild-west, and approach it with that mentality. It's pretty much self-evident to people on IRC, and the internet needs to go back to that. 'Cause, realistically speaking, censoring childporn and the like is not even remotely high priority compared to "hatespeech." One of the more political youtubers i keep tabs on has done a video on how they can censor conservatives overnight, but can't protect against piracy and things like that. So, the next step is to use the outrage mob to try to shut down these distributed networks that you describe by painting it as "child porn and drug markets," when i imagine that's far from the case (at least in my experience with 4chan, irc, and the like, the complete freedom offered doesn't result in the utter chaos that we like to think happens without government involvement).

Honestly, the whole political climate looks more like a game of power struggle where people totally uninterested are getting caught in the crossfire, and no one particularly cares. But, the nature of politics is to find itself in every aspect of your life, so things like gamergate should never surprise anyone. I think the long term plan should be to get better encryption schemes and indeed set up networks like this. Sure, we can't keep things like we do the regular web, but the average person can't be playing this game. Interesting. So basically it's like screaming at the top of your lungs from a mountaintop, except the echo lasts a bit longer.

One of the things that could be used to facilitate this sort of thing is properly using the built in quote system. It's far easier for keeping track of this sort of thing, as well as returning to prior topics after long absenses. And seeing that you've yet again failed to actually use the proper system, i regret not continuing to code instead. In fact, 'cause you refuse to do it, i don't think it's worth responding your your claims, anymore. Not only is it a royal pain in the rear to continue the discussion having to do extra scrolling, extra string searching for cross referencing, etc, but it's unlikely for anyone who just happens to read our discussion to be bothered doing the same. Yet, somehow, you expect people to follow the conversation more closely. Maybe you don't know how to use the quote system? Well, if you can't be bothered to learn a major feature of the discussion platform you're using when it's well documented, maybe we shouldn't be bothered to follow your logic so closely.

Just skimming through trying to parse your response, i see strawman argments, conflations, etc. It's not worth it. And, from what I can see, you're intentionally using this to help generate enough obscurity so the conversation can't continue properly, so why bother? The whole reason for a quote system of this format is to help people follow the branches of a given topic, so that people can further know exactly which arguments are being responded to and when. If you don't know how to use the system, now would be a good time.

As i said earlier discussing this further is pointless
You have your opinions and i have mine and i will not be convinced to take another stance until i see definite proofs of your claims.
Untill definte proofs are presented, Lets just Agree to disagree.

Btw : Conflation is the merging of two or more sets of information, texts, ideas, opinions, etc into one, often in error.

In logic, it is the practice of treating two distinct concepts as if they were one, which produces errors or misunderstandings as a fusion of distinct subjects tends to obscure analysis of relationships which are emphasized by contrasts.

So asking questions to riduculus claims and at a same time making an argument against the answers based on the question is Conflation And Strawmens?

And btw it kinda contradicts the whole discussion if thats the case. Beacuse real porn pictures and Fantasy pictures made of pixels are two diffrent concepts.
In one you use real humans in the other you simply use your imagination.

There have been numerous attempts of trolling, but tis is the strongest one i have seen so far.
And thats even done by a person that tries to put words in my mouth, Modifying quotes, Ad hoc Arguments and other attempts.

The only thing he has is a 'Word-a-Day' Calendar.

and evidently not a good one. He misspelled "arguments".

In the words of Sir Alec Guinness, "Who talks like that!?

I dont know the refference to Sir Alec Guinness so i have to google it.
I instantly thougth of beer or The http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com

Must not be a Star Wars geek,
He played Obi Wan and that is what he yelled, legend has it, at George Lucas one day on set.

Ah, i dont understand how i coud forget about it. Guess it must have slipped my mind.

Yet they sell other games with uncensored nudity and violence like Postal 1/2 & etc.

Tbf one should only mark posts as spam if they are spam. If it's just bad posts one should use the contact support forms.