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Posted October 01, 2015
FPS Immortals are here.

Quake II: Quad Damage, Quake III: Gold, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Wolfenstein 3D and Spear of Destiny - are available now, DRM-free on GOG.com. You can pick them up at 33% off in two bundles:
<span class="bold">Quake Damage</span> & <span class="bold">Return to Wolfenstein</span>.





Wolfenstein 3D (with Spear of Destiny) is widely considered to be the first true 3D FPS ever. It single handedly kickstarted a generation of id Software greats, and thus influenced just about every FPS we've played ever since. Its mazes, shades of gray, and blue hues are burned into the collective gaming memory - plus you get to kill a mechanized Hitler. Classic.
In the early days of FPS gaming, Quake II: Quad Damage was the milestone. In a spot-on review from 1997, GameSpot calls it "the only first-person shooter to render the original Quake entirely obsolete." It was bigger, better, prettier, and smoother than any clone or predecessor - it also offered one of the most playable, and by far most popular multiplayer experiences of its day.
Quake III: Gold, aka. multiplayer revolution. Despite a controversial removal of the lauded single-player experience the series was known for, Quake III: Arena became a smash-hit and (together with Unreal Tournament) essentially defined arena-style, movement-based competitive gaming for years. The shooter spawned a community that's been living and breathing to this day.
In B.J. Blazkowicz's Return to Castle Wolfenstein, another legend is born. A unique, objective-based multiplayer mode saw immense popularity back in the day - and it was actually pretty okay if you're into that sort of thing. The single-player campaign is a dark, somewhat ridiculous freak show of morbid, scientific fantasy. An ever present sense of dread emanates from the disturbing experiments and cult-like universe, just waiting to be set afire - by you.


As with any Bethesda purchase, you'll also get The Elder Scrolls: Arena & Daggerfall for free!


Prepare to fight in Quake II: Quad Damage, Quake III: Gold, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Wolfenstein 3D and Spear of Destiny - now DRM-free on GOG.com. Return to the FPS immortals at 33% off in two bundles: <span class="bold">Quake Damage</span> & <span class="bold">Return to Wolfenstein</span>. The promo will last for one week, until October 8, 12:59 PM GMT.



The four titles released today are not available for purchase in Germany. These are legal restrictions that are beyond our control, and we're very sorry for the inconvenience.
Posted October 05, 2015
Does this mean that Doom 3 and Quake IV are not far behind? I hope so.
Posted October 06, 2015
who will gift the bundles? :) are there screens + prices of them? sadly i cannot enter the pages as im germany located....
Posted October 06, 2015
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DanielRuf: At least it seems there is now some move at the BPjM.

Much more games are not indexed and just labeled USK 18 and the new MortalKombat and the previous GTA titles were removed from the index a few days ago.
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jamyskis: To be honest, I have a feeling that they're moving to abolish the BPjM. That organisation has just seen one embarrassment after another of late, and it's just a matter of time until someone brings the "glorification of violence" provision of the StGB and the "mild endangerment" and "severe endangerment" provisions of the JuSchG to court and shows that it's unconstitutional by virtue of the fact that you simply cannot claim glorification or endangerment through the simple depiction of explicit violence. And the recent rejection of Mortal Kombat X is going to make it nigh-on impossible to blacklist any other titles in future without publishers going through legal appeals.

The system survives alone on disincentivising opposition - both the certification process and the appeals process are costly affairs that are a real crapshoot - hence the "Schere im Kopf" mentality. A publisher might get lucky with their certification or review committee and have progressive members, but they might also be stuck with aging parents' association representatives, backward child psychologists and church reps.

The BPjM, §86a and §131 StGB have survived hitherto on the simple fact that nobody has dared contest them. Gamers generally don't have the funds to mount a full-scale legal campaign, there's no association representing gamers, and the German development community is essentially dead, so there's no real industry motivation to challenge it.

But there's little doubt that all three are anti-constitutional - the only limitation that the constitution grants on freedom of expression is to protect youth, and it can be safely assumed that none of this is adequately aimed at achieving this goal, especially given that the systems in place to protect young people are so poorly enforced (USK/FSK ratings for one thing).

Once the legal challenge is mounted, there won't be much need for the BPjM anymore, especially as they don't seem to really give much of a shit about actually protecting young people. If they did, they'd do more about the way that many of these girls' magazines encourage eating disorders and foster distorted perceptions about sexuality.
Regarding the $131 StGB there maybe is a upcoming constitutional complaint against the new version of this law from the VDVC http://vdvc.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=79&amp;t=1996#p15508

The problem with the JMStV for example is that some of the points are based on very old laws as example showing (TV or online) and selling (online) rated 18 media from 23 to 6 comes from a law which was created for cinemas at a time only cinemas existed as example the ebook debate http://www.boersenblatt.net/artikel-jugendschutz_und_papierqualitaet.970842.html

For the BPjM I do not think that they will disappear in the near future because look who is governs in Germany.

For GOG and Bethesda well let's hope the situation doesn't get that worse like it is on Steam when games are completely blocked for Germany and you can't even install or start them if you have german IP which is something what is definitely not required and only used by Bethesda and Square Enix (Square Enix makes use of this function for a lot of countries).
Posted October 06, 2015
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mobutu: It is for almost all of us, probably, but in this case your country is imposing the censoring!
No.
Posted October 06, 2015
a good OLD game for $19.99? Yet another gog principle stealth revoked because it doesn't suit them!
Posted October 06, 2015
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classic-gamer: No.
-videogames containing swastika are banned from sale and public display by some old farts inside some bureacrat state authority (no importing, no selling - 18+ can have them but only if the fairies somehow give them to you);
-videogames deemed too violent by some old farts inside some bureacrat state authority are forbidden to market and public display because "somebody please think of the children" bullshit - 18+ can have them but only if they specifically ask for those poducts and only if they demonstrate beyond any doubt that they are legally 18+

That is censoring and the censor is the german state/government.
Posted October 06, 2015
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Oddeus: I´m not even German. I just live here...

I would like to trade a gift code for Quake II + expansions. In return I will give you a game for the same price.
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DrakoPensulo: You should post that request here
Right, thank you :)
Posted October 06, 2015
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E_A: There were others before, most notably Elite. But Starglider was the first game ever with voice samples. That was before there were any real audio tools available so Jez San actually did this by measuring voltages off the sound chip, and modulating the volume controls in real time to find what voltages came out on his Atari ST. Crazy times :D
interessant
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apehater: i'm impressed
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IAmSinistar: One of my favourite games of all times. And very ambitious, given its groundbreaking nature and how old it is. Incidentally, the people behind the Starglider games (Argonaut Software) are the company that created the Super FX chip and the Star Fox games. So 3D space games are in their blood.
an user below my post did find a more older game that seems to meet the criterias:

elite (1984)

and i thought 3d models in video games started in mid 90s
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Posted October 06, 2015
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apehater: an user below my post did find a more older game that seems to meet the criterias:

elite (1984)

and i thought 3d models in video games started in mid 90s
Ah yes, Elite. Should have thought of that myself, actually.

There were quite a few early 3D games. For example, the entire series, the first of which debuted in 1987, [url=http://www.mobygames.com/game/cybercon-iii]Cybercon III in 1991, and the original Alone in the Dark in 1992. The Amiga and the Atari ST were well suited to early 3D, thanks to their custom chips. (And some of the folks behind the Atari ST went on to develop the Amiga, so it's not a coincidence.)
Posted October 06, 2015
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serpantino: a good OLD game for $19.99? Yet another gog principle stealth revoked because it doesn't suit them!
I can't see the price, because I'm living in a strict country, but that looks very expensive for me.

I did pay 25$ for the new game a decade ago.
Posted October 06, 2015
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apehater: an user below my post did find a more older game that seems to meet the criterias:

elite (1984)

and i thought 3d models in video games started in mid 90s
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IAmSinistar: Ah yes, Elite. Should have thought of that myself, actually.

There were quite a few early 3D games. For example, the entire series, the first of which debuted in 1987, [url=http://www.mobygames.com/game/cybercon-iii]Cybercon III in 1991, and the original Alone in the Dark in 1992. The Amiga and the Atari ST were well suited to early 3D, thanks to their custom chips. (And some of the folks behind the Atari ST went on to develop the Amiga, so it's not a coincidence.)
do you still own some old hardware? the oldest stuff that i have is a pc with an athlon k6 and a voodoo 5500
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serpantino: a good OLD game for $19.99? Yet another gog principle stealth revoked because it doesn't suit them!
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Arghmage: I can't see the price, because I'm living in a strict country, but that looks very expensive for me.

I did pay 25$ for the new game a decade ago.
hmm.. wie kam man eigentlich vor 10 jahren in deutschaland überhaupt an quake 3 dran, also ich meine kaufen?
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Posted October 06, 2015
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apehater: do you still own some old hardware? the oldest stuff that i have is a pc with an athlon k6 and a voodoo 5500
I had an Amiga 500 and a TI-99/4A a few years ago, but have gotten rid of them since then. Trying to declutter my life wherever possible. The next thing likely to go is my Yamaha DX-7 keyboard. :)
Posted October 06, 2015
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mobutu: That is censoring and the censor is the german state/government.
GOG doesn't sell in Germany, they can "ignore" German Law. Nobody from german state/government will get GOG on trouble.

And why is GOG still selling other games from "Index" and with swastika to german customers?

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apehater: hmm.. wie kam man eigentlich vor 10 jahren in deutschaland überhaupt an quake 3 dran, also ich meine kaufen?
Bei einem Händler??? Oder wie kommst du heute käuflich an Spiele ran? Weißt du, Händler (das ist das wo man Sachen wie Spiele kaufen kann) gab es schon früher. Diese Gattung gibt es sogar schon seit Jahrhunderten. Hört sich komisch an, ist aber so. -;
Post edited October 06, 2015 by classic-gamer
Posted October 06, 2015
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mobutu: That is censoring and the censor is the german state/government.
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classic-gamer: GOG doesn't sell in Germany, they can "ignore" German Law. Nobody from german state/government will get GOG on trouble.

And why is GOG still selling other games from "Index" and with swastika to german customers?

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apehater: hmm.. wie kam man eigentlich vor 10 jahren in deutschaland überhaupt an quake 3 dran, also ich meine kaufen?
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classic-gamer: Bei einem Händler??? Oder wie kommst du heute käuflich an Spiele ran? Weißt du, Händler (das ist das wo man Sachen wie Spiele kaufen kann) gab es schon früher. Diese Gattung gibt es sogar schon seit Jahrhunderten. Hört sich komisch an, ist aber so. -;
Heutzutage wird der größte Teil der Spiele bei Onlinehändlern wie Amazon oder gleich digital über Steam verkauft, und Läden wie Gamestop führen größtenteils keine indizierten Spiele mehr, drum kann ich die Verwirrung schon verstehen ^^
Posted October 06, 2015
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classic-gamer: GOG doesn't sell in Germany, they can "ignore" German Law.
GOG sells worldwide, Germany included, and if a local law like the current absurd german law says it's a "crime" to sell a banned/indexed digital videogame to german IPs then GOG must pay very close attention to it.

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classic-gamer: Nobody from german state/government will get GOG on trouble.
That is your personal amateur opinion, I'm sure GOG is not foolish enough to follow it.
They follow what their army of lawyers tell them and what the publishers tell them too also.

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classic-gamer: And why is GOG still selling other games from "Index" and with swastika to german customers?
Because its a gray area and the publishers that bring those games over here didn't demand they should not be for sale for german IPs. You should be thankful for that and not talk much about them and therefore bring too much attention on them, otherwise you can wake up in a reality where those games will be hidden also for german IPs.

Like I said, if germans want no censorship in this area then they should put pressure and lobby on their government.
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