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How far will you go to survive?

<span class="bold">The Long Dark</span>, an immersive struggle for post-apocalyptic survival, is available now DRM-free on GOG.com



It's a beautiful, quiet apocalypse as humanity falls to its knees. Technological might laid to waste completely: the lights go out one last time, the electrical hum of machinery replaced by birdsong and... nothing. No energy, no food, no warmth. What does the future hold? The Long Dark is a first-person survival simulation that'll force you to think, and challenge you in unique ways: a frozen wasteland and the disinterest of Mother Nature may threaten your survival, but it's your own fear, greed, and humanity that'll become your worst enemy.
Now coming out of Games in Development, The Long Dark features a sandbox Survivor Mode as well as Wintermute – a brand new 5-episode single-player campaign. Episodes 1 & 2 are launching alongside the game, while episodes 3-5 are set for release throughout 2017 and 2018.



Let yourself weaken and any small threat may lead to your death. You have to earn the right to survive <span class="bold">The Long Dark</span>, DRM-free on GOG.com.



Please note that the Linux version of The Long Dark has been temporarily delayed due to technical issues. Watch this space for more info.
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groze: If it's not the price, it's pixelart, or pre-orders, or because it's an adventure game, or an indie game, or an action game, or because it's a roguelike/roguelite, or because it has randomized generation in it, or because it has perma-death, or because it's low-res, or because it's not a "classic gem" ("WHERE ARE THE GOOD OLD GAMES, GOG?!"), or because whatever petty reason you people find in a game to complain about. Unless it's a valid warning to potential customers (if a game is buggy, or if it doesn't work properly, or if it suffers from false advertising and it's actually a bad game), what's the point of coming into every single one of these threads and say *you* think this and that about this or that game or the video game industry or how GOG is on a spiral of self-destruction and lost all of its "principles"? No one cares. You're just being extremely annoying and coming across as sanctimonious.

TL;DR: This game is worth €32. They're not ripping people off by selling The Long Dark for this price. If you like survival games, you'll love this one, it's one of the best survival games ever made.
Boy.... you got quite upset for others have their own opinion. But i wouldnt mind over 30 bucks too, if i were your age and it was my parents money.
I like permadeath, i like roguelike, i like low res, i like indie games.
I like being "you people" if it means i´m not like you, groze.
What i dont like is paying an amount of money, that woulda coulda shoulda have been 60 DM. We are talking about being ripped off. Cause: if (and thats always like this) the game is reduced to sales just a 3 months from now - i would feel pretty mucked - if i payed just 30 freaking bucks for that, while the others who waited get the reward for waiting.
If you dont check this with your neurofabric inside your head, you´re either veeeery rich or veeery young or veeery .... shortsighted.
And by the way: I AM annoyed by these puny people who blindly obey gog and dont check how they´re being treated.
Ciao Bella!

Edit: I WILL buy this game, for sure. But for sure at 10 - 15 bucks.
Post edited August 02, 2017 by Prian
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Vythonaut: Article 19 of the UDHR states that "everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice".

Having said that, it is true that when there are several "complainers" in the same spot at the same time, this spot usually loses it's charm... Either way, don't give much attention to things that irritate you because, hey, we all have our own opinions even if not everyone can express them nicely.

Regarding the game, i think i've read somewhere that it is kinda like Skyrim with survival mods (or that was the idea behind TLD); if that's the case, it should be a good game and right up my alley.
"Hey Bob, could you stop complaining about your job all the time? It's getting annoying."

"The Universal Declaration of Human Rights states-"

"Shut the fuck up Bob"
Post edited August 02, 2017 by getrdy

I apologize for this rant, maybe I'm blowing things out of proportion, here, but I'm getting really tired of people *always* bitching and moaning about... something? in every single announcement/pre-order/release thread on this forum. If it's not the price, it's pixelart, or pre-orders, or because it's an adventure game, or an indie game, or an action game, or because it's a roguelike/roguelite, or because it has randomized generation in it, or because it has perma-death, or because it's low-res, or because it's not a "classic gem" ("WHERE ARE THE GOOD OLD GAMES, GOG?!"), or because whatever petty reason you people find in a game to complain about. Unless it's a valid warning to potential customers (if a game is buggy, or if it doesn't work properly, or if it suffers from false advertising and it's actually a bad game), what's the point of coming into every single one of these threads and say *you* think this and that about this or that game or the video game industry or how GOG is on a spiral of self-destruction and lost all of its "principles"? No one cares. You're just being extremely annoying and coming across as sanctimonious.
GoG new game releases thread in a nutshell. Bravo sir.
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groze: Snipped.

I apologize for this rant, maybe I'm blowing things out of proportion, here, but I'm getting really tired of people *always* bitching and moaning about... something? in every single announcement/pre-order/release thread on this forum. If it's not the price, it's pixelart, or pre-orders, or because it's an adventure game, or an indie game, or an action game, or because it's a roguelike/roguelite, or because it has randomized generation in it, or because it has perma-death, or because it's low-res, or because it's not a "classic gem" ("WHERE ARE THE GOOD OLD GAMES, GOG?!"), or because whatever petty reason you people find in a game to complain about. Unless it's a valid warning to potential customers (if a game is buggy, or if it doesn't work properly, or if it suffers from false advertising and it's actually a bad game), what's the point of coming into every single one of these threads and say *you* think this and that about this or that game or the video game industry or how GOG is on a spiral of self-destruction and lost all of its "principles"? No one cares. You're just being extremely annoying and coming across as sanctimonious.

TL;DR: This game is worth €32. They're not ripping people off by selling The Long Dark for this price. If you like survival games, you'll love this one, it's one of the best survival games ever made.
Do you have some examples of the bold, because I can' remember seeing negative posts about such things?

The complaints about pixeljunk©®, roguelikes, random generation, permanent death, walking sims, or you name it are all coming from the viewpoint that these things are being advertised as exciting or innovative features.

Thimbleweed Park is pixelated but I only remember seeing praise because it looks to be an actual game. Instead of what feels very much like a cut & paste cash in from the ones getting blasted.

When has random generation worked well outside of MP map generation for RTS or TBS? How is throwing in roguelike or permanent death for no reason other than to say it's there a good thing?

As far as GOG itself I see two options for people. It's either don't buy things and potentially kill the platform or hope that they'll change for the best by constantly berating them for trying to stuff Galaxy up everyone's arse or other dubious decisions.

This game might be worthwhile to some people but can you really blame others for disapproving of episodic content at full price? There's no guarantee that the rest of the game will be finished on time or at all.
Good to see it out of in-dev, good game that i dropped to play other games.
Seems it's gone thru a vast amount of change from what i've seen, glad to be able to pick it back up again.
Honestly, it was worth the money as a in dev game, so maybe it's improved tenfold.
Hope so, time to load it up again....
Post edited August 02, 2017 by DampSquib
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getrdy: "Shut the **** up Bob"
Never said that complaining (just for the sake of complaining) and general chronic negativity is a beautiful trait to have; at least in here, you can get out as easy as you got in. ;)
Episodes? ...I'll wait until they're all out before making a decision. Looks good tho.
2017, where you can put out two fifth of a story and call it a full game.
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The_Gypsy: Do you have some examples of the bold, because I can' remember seeing negative posts about such things?

The complaints about pixeljunk©®, roguelikes, random generation, permanent death, walking sims, or you name it are all coming from the viewpoint that these things are being advertised as exciting or innovative features.

Thimbleweed Park is pixelated but I only remember seeing praise because it looks to be an actual game. Instead of what feels very much like a cut & paste cash in from the ones getting blasted.

When has random generation worked well outside of MP map generation for RTS or TBS? How is throwing in roguelike or permanent death for no reason other than to say it's there a good thing?

As far as GOG itself I see two options for people. It's either don't buy things and potentially kill the platform or hope that they'll change for the best by constantly berating them for trying to stuff Galaxy up everyone's arse or other dubious decisions.

This game might be worthwhile to some people but can you really blame others for disapproving of episodic content at full price? There's no guarantee that the rest of the game will be finished on time or at all.
I'm only replying to your last paragraph, since it's the only part pertaining to the game being discussed here, and I feel like I've derailed the thread enough, already. If you want to discuss any other matters regarding what I said, feel free to PM me.

To put it simply: yes. Yes, I can blame others for disapproving of episodic content at "full price". I wouldn't, if we were talking about, say, Kentucky Route Zero (which, by the way, is still missing its last episode). But KR0 is a narrative game. It lives or dies because of its narrative content, its "story" -- contained in its *episodes*. If Kentucky Route Zero never gets its final episode, then, yes, I can't blame people for being pissed at the devs for having released an unfinished game -- and I do own this one so, yeah, I'd be pretty angry at the devs if such a thing happened. The Long Dark, though, was primarily developed as a survival game. You don't have to like survival games, no one's making you, you like the games you like, that's fine. But if you do like survival games, you can't go wrong with this one. Yes, there are only two episodes included in the game, as of now (with circa 15 hours of play time, which is more than a lot of "fully released" games give you, but, still...), but the bulk, the core of the game is there, already, it's most definitely finished and it's potentially endless: the sandbox survival mode. The story mode is a nice addition, a cool afterthought that I'm glad they're including, but it doesn't turn it into an adventure game, per se. For a bit over €30 (or your local equivalent), you're getting an excellent survival game that also happens to include a story mode. And that story mode just so happens to be episodic.

As for the oh-so-usual on these forums "there's no guarantee that the rest of the game will be finished" fear-mongering slippery slope argument, I could also say there's no guarantee that my house won't burn to the ground one of these days, taking with it all of the external drives containing the backups of all my DRM-free games, so, there's no point in me -- or anyone else who lives in a house -- buying any game. Slippery slopes are stupid, it's just people dealing in hypothetical scenarios and treating them like factual truths.
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groze: The Long Dark is an amazing game that has been available on GOG as in-development for a while, and even when it was in its in-dev state it was more than worth the asking price. Hours upon hours of fun (provided you like survival games, of course)
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If you like survival games, you'll love this one, it's one of the best survival games ever made.
Is survival actually possible, or do you always die in the end and the goal is to go for the highscore?
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groze: The Long Dark is an amazing game that has been available on GOG as in-development for a while, and even when it was in its in-dev state it was more than worth the asking price. Hours upon hours of fun (provided you like survival games, of course)
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If you like survival games, you'll love this one, it's one of the best survival games ever made.
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Starmaker: Is survival actually possible, or do you always die in the end and the goal is to go for the highscore?
You always die in the end.

I mean literally, in real life, don't know about the game.

Edit: unfortunately there's no universal "highscore" accepted by all parties, so far, although some groups go with fame, money, etc...
Post edited August 02, 2017 by ped7g
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groze: The Long Dark is an amazing game that has been available on GOG as in-development for a while, and even when it was in its in-dev state it was more than worth the asking price. Hours upon hours of fun (provided you like survival games, of course)
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If you like survival games, you'll love this one, it's one of the best survival games ever made.
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Starmaker: Is survival actually possible, or do you always die in the end and the goal is to go for the highscore?
I'm probably not the best person to ask, since I'm pretty terrible at survival games, even though I do like them a lot. This is not an easy game, by any means, and you will die a lot; but I'd say survival is possible... the sandbox mode theoretically goes on forever, so, as long as you're really good at the game (or found some way to exploit it), you should be able to just "keep surviving".

If you're more of a "going for a highscore" kind of person, The Long Dark can be played that way, too... at least I think so.
Gonna check out some Let's Plays and see what it's like. Hopefully they won't spoil too much.
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AlienMind: 2017, where you can put out two fifth of a story and call it a full game.
To be fair, no one called it a full game. Everyone has called it two episodes + a sandbox, with three more episodes to come.

It's not like episodic games are new, even on GOG.

And while I'm not keen on episodic games, I get the whole "we can make it a better game overall by realizing some cash flow from the first episodes to invest in the later episodes". Especially from an indie dev. And so, sometimes I don't mind throwing cash at an indie dev's episodic game.

I'd have bought this one at some point if I hadn't already won it in a giveaway.
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JavierMC: Sooo... no 10% off for GOG customers?
well, they already ruled GOG out in 50% discount before price increase only for Steam and Humble, so why should they bother now? it seems that those DRM-freeks should be glad they are allowed to purchase the game at all.