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Enebias: I just wanted to say this: being intolerant with those who are intolerant is perfectly fine by me. Apparently contradictory, indeed, but then again why would a society wanting a place for everyone want to deal with somebody negating this principle? Live and let live, but if somebody doesn't allow you smash them.
Exactly that's why we shouldn't tolerate pride month.
For those who are wondering about the visibility of the collection, we thought a big spot and a partner page that explains the reasoning behind the creation of this collection was enough.

I also see there are some heated discussions going on, please keep in mind to be civil to each other.
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TheEndedSkull: Apparently the mods are awake, as my earlier post has been removed. Still odd that this thread got left up despite a moderation of the opening post noting that it violates forum conduct!

Also I take back my apology, Enebias is right and I don't actually regret a word of what I said before.
So you are here as someone's alt just to troll this threat to be locked?
I hope mods are wise enough not to fall for this.
Other than your post, this topic is mostly civil discourse, thankfully.
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TheEndedSkull: Actually I'm not sorry, anti-LGBT are indeed morons.
EDIT: Nevermind, apparently Gog's mods have removed the original post I was referring to. Good!
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TheEndedSkull: Actually I'm not sorry, anti-LGBT are indeed morons.
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morolf: You also called people Nazis (despite nobody having expressed any positive view of Nazism in this thread, and no, being critical of today's LGBTQ movement doesn't equal Nazism). I hope you get at least temporarily banned for this, otherwise one would have to conclude that Gog enforces the code of conduct in an extremely biased way.
Another post earlier in the thread said:

"Gog is becoming more extremist left as the time goes by. Just wait for their "Kill the 'Nazi'" games selection sale."

Does that not seem a bit odd to you, to suggest that the promotion of killing Nazis is "extremist left"? Granted, a sale like that might be a bit cringey, but it stands out to me that there are people here who would frame being anti-Nazi as an extreme political position.
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TheEndedSkull: Another post earlier in the thread said:

"Gog is becoming more extremist left as the time goes by. Just wait for their "Kill the 'Nazi'" games selection sale."

Does that not seem a bit odd to you, to suggest that the promotion of killing Nazis is "extremist left"? Granted, a sale like that might be a bit cringey, but it stands out to me that there are people here who would frame being anti-Nazi as an extreme political position.
That's disingenuous. I have no idea whether the commenter who wrote that is a fascist, but today lots of people get called "Nazis" or "fascists" who have no relation to the historical Nazi/fascist movements. "Nazi" today is often just a term used by radical leftists to dehumanize their opponents, so they can pretend antidemocratic means like destroying people's social lives/careers or even physically attacking them is legitimate.
Regarding today's LBGTQ movement: The vast majority of people who actually fought against Nazism in WW2 would have been against it and would have found the very idea of Pride month baffling (and that very much includes Soviet communists). So bringing up "Nazis" is historically illiterate. It's just a cheap way to demonize anybody who doesn't support every aspect of 2021's "liberal" values.
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morolf: You also called people Nazis (despite nobody having expressed any positive view of Nazism in this thread, and no, being critical of today's LGBTQ movement doesn't equal Nazism). I hope you get at least temporarily banned for this, otherwise one would have to conclude that Gog enforces the code of conduct in an extremely biased way.
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TheEndedSkull: Another post earlier in the thread said:

"Gog is becoming more extremist left as the time goes by. Just wait for their "Kill the 'Nazi'" games selection sale."

Does that not seem a bit odd to you, to suggest that the promotion of killing Nazis is "extremist left"? Granted, a sale like that might be a bit cringey, but it stands out to me that there are people here who would frame being anti-Nazi as an extreme political position.
Aren't most ww2 games about shooting the nazi.

Some multiplquer and panzer general are probably exception. Are there any tpp or fps games where you play as wermacht soldier.

Btw. The whole debacle about pride month is such a silly thing.

Isn't it for gog to make sales from a) gay people b) people who want to support homesexuality

So if you are not in those two categories
What's the big deal?
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lukaszthegreat: Are there any tpp or fps games where you play as wermacht soldier.
iirc you could in Return to Castle Wolfenstein's multiplayer.
But this isn't really about WW2 games, rather about "political" games like "Tonight we riot".
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lukaszthegreat: Are there any tpp or fps games where you play as wermacht soldier.
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morolf: iirc you could in Return to Castle Wolfenstein's multiplayer.
But this isn't really about WW2 games, rather about "political" games like "Tonight we riot".
Yeah. We also have red orchestra. But that's mp games.

No cod style of campaign style of games where you defend Berlin or fight in Stalingrad.

Nothing controversial like purification of warsaw ghetto... a cod style game could be interesting featuring the other side.
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lukaszthegreat: Not exactly
How many purchase will be made from countries where gay people are banned like Nigeria
And how many people are from countries like Australia or USA where support for gay people is strong?

So no. Gog should not cater to the world by avoiding subjects which piss off some minority of buyers.
I believe those are questions that GOG can address. However, it is interesting you chose Nigeria (where the market share is probably very low) and not a country like Russia.

Also, how can you be so sure those disapproving of Pride Month are a minority? It is a biased assumption at best, unless backed up by numbers.

At the end of the day, this is a business decision taken by GOG, albeit in a peculiar fashion. Some will approve of it, others won't. And most likely there are those who do not feel one way or another.
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TheEndedSkull: Another post earlier in the thread said:

"Gog is becoming more extremist left as the time goes by. Just wait for their "Kill the 'Nazi'" games selection sale."

Does that not seem a bit odd to you, to suggest that the promotion of killing Nazis is "extremist left"? Granted, a sale like that might be a bit cringey, but it stands out to me that there are people here who would frame being anti-Nazi as an extreme political position.
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morolf: That's disingenuous. I have no idea whether the commenter who wrote that is a fascist, but today lots of people get called "Nazis" or "fascists" who have no relation to the historical Nazi/fascist movements. "Nazi" today is often just a term used by radical leftists to dehumanize their opponents, so they can pretend antidemocratic means like destroying people's social lives/careers or even physically attacking them is legitimate.
I'm not trying to be disingenuous. It's true that the term "Nazi" is horribly misused by some people, but it's also unfortunately true that we've been seeing a rise of popularity for Nazi ideology - That makes it difficult to tell what the intent of that post was because there are tons of people online who would genuinely argue that being anti-Nazi is somehow a leftist thing. A lot of far right people are convinced that the average person actually agrees with them but is just too afraid to say so.

Maybe I'm being uncharitable by interpreting it in the worst way rather than assuming it's just a joke about people who call everyone they disagree with Nazis, and if so then that's on me for taking that bit too seriously. Given how common it is for the far right to hide being "it was just a joke" when expressing their actual viewpoints though, it's just hard to tell.
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JakobFel: when celebrations like Christmas, Veteran's Day and the like are only singular DAYS out of the year.
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TheEndedSkull: Where in the US are you that Christmas isn't shoved down your throat for the last 2-3 full months of the year? I've seen that stuff in stores before Halloween lately, and of course when December itself rolls around the whole thing gets dialed up to 11.
See thats not the religious part of it but the ''coming together '' and ''loving one another'' aspects and thats corporations doing the shoving after they found how they could make alot of money off it .. Besides the traditions of most modern Christmas celebrations are in truth not Religious in nature..

Pride month on the otherhand is well all bout the sexuality aspect as a whole for a whole month .. I may not be against people who are part of the LGBTQ+ community if they are reasonable .. but I am against a whole month going on about ones Sexuality as to me such a thing is borderline perverse to go on about for a whole month.. Because I don't know about others but I was taught and most of those where I am at that going on about ones sexuality and what sex one does or does not want to be with is perverse unless its like ''Hey I am not into that '' or ''I don't swing that way'' and not go on about it but showing affection and love in the open is fully okay so long as one is being decent no matter what sexuality one has

Honestly to many the concept about a whole month talking bout ones sexuality is perverted to people and wrong.. Not because of LGBTQ+ community nor against them celebrating themselves .. But because even if it was straits doing similat it'd feel wrong and perverse to go on about it because how many don't see it as a topic or thing to go all well obsessed over for any amount of time in general
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lukaszthegreat: No cod style of campaign style of games where you defend Berlin or fight in Stalingrad.
iirc there was some American shooter not that long ago (from one of the big franchises, don't know which one though, I don't play such games) where you did play as a German tank crew, during the later stages of WW2. There was some controversy about it, whether it whitewashed German crimes etc.
A game about "purification of the Warsaw ghetto" hardly could be anything but an antisemitic hate game, so obviously won't get made except maybe by neonazis.

EDIT: Found the shooter I was thinking of, it's Battlefield V: The last Tiger.
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Enebias: I just wanted to say this: being intolerant with those who are intolerant is perfectly fine by me. Apparently contradictory, indeed, but then again why would a society wanting a place for everyone want to deal with somebody negating this principle? Live and let live, but if somebody doesn't allow you smash them.
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Orkhepaj: Exactly that's why we shouldn't tolerate pride month.
No, that's why we shouldn't tolerate people asking for this stuff to be removed. There's a bunch of crazy guys here coming straight from 1200 a.D., apparently.
LGBTQ+ stuff doesn't harm me or anyone else in any way, so I don't see why I shouldn't allow those who identify with it to express themselves however they want, even with a sad marketing gimmick like this.
On the other hand, people calling outrages and crusades on "perversions" and this shit should be sedated before they start to make real damage.
Post edited June 30, 2021 by Enebias
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TheEndedSkull: I'm not trying to be disingenuous. It's true that the term "Nazi" is horribly misused by some people, but it's also unfortunately true that we've been seeing a rise of popularity for Nazi ideology
Maybe, but I don't see where you could see that in this thread. You may of course think people opposed to Pride month are bigoted fossils or whatever, but that doesn't equal Nazism. So throwing around such terms doesn't improve the climate of debate.
Anyway, since your original comment has been deleted, there isn't much point to discuss this any further.