Agreed on both factors

Do you understand my point? If religion is important for those parents who don't accept LGBTQ+, they're more than welcome to go to a public (UK) or private (US) religious school or even homeschool their kids instead. If they can't afford it and don't want to go to a weekly place of worship to offset those ideas, then suck it up and deal with what's provided for you.

OTOH, there's also no reason why LGBTQ+ people who want to get into faith can join inclusive religious sects either. No point in wasting efforts to get people who have a zero chance of accepting you to accept you. Non-sequitur. I never said removing "Merry Christmas" from US retail stores was causing higher suicide rates of LGBTQ+. You questioned if LGBTQ+ people were being oppressed. And compared to US Christians, they are. I don't know what this means. And I don't see how a GOG [former staff?] member's experience negates that fact. If:

- Your fundamental values are significant to you
- The company's values don't align with yours
- There is no hope in persuading them

Then go somewhere else. It's the easiest and most effective solution. No one is demanding it, but as you see every time this topic is brought up, the easiest dismissive reaction is the same: "if we have pride month, why can't we get [X] [day / week / month] too?" where [X] is a group that has received far less discrimination than LGBTQ+ in attempt to negate the legitimate and functional purpose. Joking or not, you can see multiple examples in this thread:

- https://www.gog.com/forum/general/pride_month_seriously/post4
- https://www.gog.com/forum/general/pride_month_seriously/post7
- https://www.gog.com/forum/general/pride_month_seriously/post32
- https://www.gog.com/forum/general/pride_month_seriously/post33
- https://www.gog.com/forum/general/pride_month_seriously/post67 Because it's already ubiquitous and celebrated in modern Western culture:
- Adult men and women are applauded for raising families whereas there is pushback on LGBTQ+ marriage
- Culturally acceptable to ask when a new couple is expecting their child or to hear that they're actively working on it whereas some people question if LGBTQ+ couples are grooming their adopted kids for sexual exploits
- People don't wince when men and women hold hands or kiss in public whereas some people "don't want to see that"
- People gossiping about losing virginity, # partners or times had sex, and even tips about bettering your sex techniques in magazines at retail checkouts whereas some people "don't want to hear that" about LGBTQ+ people and "they should keep it to themselves"
- Children's movies, books, etc. emphasizing how men and women should be finding their prince or princess charming
- Most importantly, straight adolescents don't get bullied, disowned by their families, resort to self-harm, and driven to suicide by dating an opposite gender in school (exceptions to mentally unstable relationships)

As you can see, there are straight people are far less persecuted than LGBTQ+ people when you compare stats from different papers. Might be impossible in Russia, but for others, I question if they ever reached across the aisle and get to know them and putting in some effort to understand their perspectives and experiences? Maybe you both might learn a thing or two from each other.

The straight parade was an outrage stunt designed to draw criticism so advocates have easy ammunition against the other side. People from both opposite extreme sides are very adept at picking out low-hanging fruit to advance their ideas. Why do you think all the far right-wing media news and pundits go after inarticulate college students / antifa / SJWs out of context and all the far left-wing talk show hosts and pundits go after inarticulate nutjobs / incels / alt-right out of context? So what is the reason for this suicides then if not for bullying and family disownment? The paper attributes to the lack of effective treatment and training for general mental health professionals for LGBTQ+ community due to a lack of understanding until very recently (p.35). And the reason why general health workers have to deal with ineffectively treating LGBTQ+ people is because there wasn't enough LGBTQ+-oriented experts - time and geography dependent (p.33-36): As for why LGBTQ+ men have higher suicide rates than women, it's likely because LGBTQ+ men were raised with traditional masculine values and still attribute seeking support as being weak or having low self-worth, as suggested by this 2009 paper. Maybe lesbian and MFF pornography is more accepting by society than same-sex relationships, which explains why they're less likely than their male counterparts for suicide (though still 2x likely than straight women).

The pastors weren't persecuted for their religion, though. It was for their repeated offenses for blatantly disregarding public health orders, not because they were Christian. You were still allowed to worship in small numbers in-person in this region, but you had to stick to those person limits or take it online. I believe they're working on it. Not that your or my thoughts on this matter as this is an Australian issue that should be solved by Australian people. He wasn't fired for his religious beliefs, but dismissed on the grounds of gross misconduct. It's because his bosses told him to teach the new curriculum and he actively disobeyed orders and voiced dissent in meetings. He could've refused or quit out of protest, but instead he actively undermined the policy.

And with respect to bureaucratic laws and charges, the entire premise is built on wordiness and splitting hairs. Prevent is a program that looks after both violent and non-violent extremism and it's up to their courts to determine if he was falsely flagged. How are case proceedings irrelevant if they set precedents for other similar cases within regional jurisdictions? This is how legal systems are designed to work. So do you have any evidence that there's systemic mistreatment investigating crimes against places of worship with different religious affiliations? Or is this your perception from news articles? Hate-motivated crime is difficult to define based on different countries and their laws. In all those cases you've replied to, they were all investigated fairly to see if it was a hate crime. Like all cases, sufficient evidence must be collected before charges can be laid by prosecution. Most of the stories I posted were initial responses to incidents where police were still in the middle of investigations, though I do acknowledge they were definitively hate-motivated crimes.

Also, the link you posted didn't disclose the identities of their children and blurred their faces in the video as per publication bans. And a hate-motivated crime is chargeable considering the two women filmed themselves stealing from the mosque.

In my opinion LGBTQ+ has gotten all the acceptance that is possible in western developed countries. People do not have to embrace the sexual preference of other people. People just have to tolerate it or even accept it and most did for a decade or longer.

There will always be fringe groups of people who are actively opposed and also act upon their opinion. You always have those nut jobs on both ends of whatever spectrum.

However there is still a normal and a not normal.

In my opinion, the resistance nowadays is not about tolerating somebody's sexual preference, but that LGBTQ+ organizations are going for children in schools and seem to have the goal to change the very fabric and concepts that form the basis for sexuality, gender, family. And that not for themselves, but also everybody else, meaning also the majority of people. Breaking down structures that have existed for hundreds, thousands of years.

It is no longer about accepting other peoples sexuality, chosen or not. Now it is about accepting the destruction of the very concepts and structures people are living and forming partnerships upon .

LGBTQ+ had all the acceptance they can wish for years ago in developed western countries, but it seems that was not the goal in the end or new goals have been set.

I understand all your points. But I don't agree with them. Sadly, moderators deemed my responses to you too political, so unless you're willing to allow me PM you, we can't continue to discuss the issues.

i don't care about THINK OF THE CHILDREN arguments. 'cause then you would have to ban or censor a lot more games than CHINA and Sony of California.

but yes, if GOG wants to ban "political" games. they would have to ban games that are very obviously LGBT. which i don't want them doing. unban taiwanese games, GOG!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_the_Republic_of_China

Can we have a Republic Day/Fall of Qing Tyrants Day?

Nonsense. I admit I might have misworded my posts so that the message coming from them resulted different from my intentions (although I doubt it), but the concpt I wanted to express was always the same.

I still think most of those posting here are in extremely bad faith and simply twisting anything they come by shielded by a faux aura of sensibleness and rationality, but out of respect from the host who asked me to cease my invectives, I will do so.

I'll say this before leaving: at first I thought the "pride" community was pushing it too much and denouncing things that weren't there; if the demographic here is anything to come by, I was absolutely wrong. Being a LGBTQ+ member must be a nightmare right now conisdering the general, even violent hostility.

Farewell for now, political discussions. I won't reply further.

Edit: out of honesty, I admit I used a couple of insults in previous posts. All were sincerely meant and felt, so no regrets.

Hm.. I don't know much about this pride month. But Is it really necessary to point it out with the name "Pride Month",,
I mean what's the point of it.. Is it only for LGBTQ+?
I'm not disgracn anyone here.. I'm just saying what I felt. They are just people like us,, dont need extra touch...(for your business? hahah)

And for those who got felt(down) like "my disappointment is immeasurable and my day got ruined(lmao)", why do you care that much bout (a word/period) Pride month? You are getting discounts in the name of it, so just accept it and get something you like instead of crying bout it and making it up with something im unfamiliar with POLITICAL...

Again I'm not against/disgracing anyone here :)))

Have nice weekend...

oke, .... well i did not expect this reaction.... or a reaction at all... point taken
only in a controlled environment with equal participants is freedom achievable

This here is going on and on. Wow. And MY thread has been deleted when I just wanted GOG to fix a few of their building sites and mentioned a few open support tickets ... yes, I guess that was fair ;)

This will go on... when people don't have anything to do what they do? They will just continue it to end/less...)) lmao

That's fine. I don't expect anyone to agree. A little understanding is all I'm asking for.

Thank you for the friendly reminder. I'll be refraining from this topic going forward.

I very rarely post here anymore. This whole thread is why. Gog has got to have one of the most toxic forums I've ever seen. I remember way back when the site first opened, this particular forum was great, and there was very little need for moderation.

What happened? This is just disgusting.

Please shut this thread down (hell just delete it). There is no civil discourse here, there's no 'opinion' here, there's nothing of value here at all, it's all just hate spewed.

Gog is just fucking disgusting for allowing this.

[Moderated by SmollestLight: Please refrain from insulting other users]