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Darvond: How it was basically forced to be underground until this very century it took for legalization and reparations towards allowing them to marry or exist without persecution and even gain protection.
The problem is that a number of fellow lgbt have become hooked on the special treatment/status/etc......and even though it's not really needed as much now(first world), a number don't seem to want to/to be able to give it up.

At some point, though, I feel that the baby birds need to leave the next and learn to fly on their own.
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Darvond: Well, if you ignore the cultural history of homosexuality, sure. How it was basically forced to be underground until this very century it took for legalization and reparations towards allowing them to marry or exist without persecution and even gain protection.
Ah yes, all those dead people still robbing homosexuals of things like getting together. Oh wait, some are still alive. Some of them are in power even. Oh wait, some of them are currently using the LGBTQiA+ community as something to support to claim virtue of some kind.

Maybe, just maybe, we should stop trying to give abusive people the power to segregate people. In fact, even better, maybe we should limit segregation to those whom actually bring verifiable physical harm to someone else (rapists, murderers, etc). Because apparently in all this confusion of what is a preference, biological imperative, orientation, and all those words that seem to get muddled and have different meanings to different people, it's getting really hard to make any decisions as a society and we end up giving this power to such abusive people to make up our minds for us. But i guess the only thing we learned from the suffering of homosexuals and bisexuals around the world was vengence, right, and do we even care who that vengence is pointed at? Same thing with alot of similar political issues. No, see, everyone just wants their turn in the spot light, not to actually solve the issues.

However, I'm not going to bother fighting this fight for anyone else who isn't willing to fight this fight for me, too. I'm sick of watching people sacrifice their time, their reputation, their livelihood, their friends, their family, and sometimes even their lives, over something that'll never be appreciated anyway, and only to get villified later by the people they fought to protect. I don't plan on joining these people.
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Darvond: So they're shocked at things which occurs in nature [/url] and yet haven't gone out to slay the entire Bonobo population?

Heavens to Betsy, I can't imagine their shock if they knew about trans animals.
Such an argument can easily be refuted since there are fundamental differences between species. There have been numerous studies on homosexual behavior in animals, with intriguing results. An interesting read here.

I think opposing an idea does not necessarily come with malevolence, I'm sure most sane, healthy people in the world are in the mindset of not causing harm to others based on their beliefs, feelings, lifestyle, choices, etc. Sure, there are those who take it to the extreme, but they are a minority, I'd say insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
The point is we come from different backgrounds, we hold on to certain values (or at least try to do so), therefore we will not always be on the same wavelength. What in the West is considered a right, in other areas of the world is seen as a vice. And vice versa, no doubt.
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StingingVelvet: Big events then, either way. You want to sell those games right? Honestly the fact it's not a sale is also a "do it or don't do it" kinda thing. My general point is you shouldn't do a pride month event that is barely mentioned or focused on, it just seems like a lame attempt to not upset anyone either way.

Why a pride event would upset anyone outside of Iran in 2021 I have no idea, but of course it would.
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Shadowstalker16: Would you be supportive of ''pride'' events for other aspects of identity? Like race, ethnicity or religion for example?
Where I am, in a normal (non-pandemic summer), there are various festivals, like Irish Fest and Greek Fest, which are celebrations of various ethnicities. (Greek Fest is a good opportunity to get some nice Greek food, as well as watch Greek dancing to Greek music (which is similar to klesmer).)

Similarly, religions have their own holidays, and often they have festivals in their places of worship.
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dtgreene: Where I am, in a normal (non-pandemic summer), there are various festivals, like Irish Fest and Greek Fest, which are celebrations of various ethnicities. (Greek Fest is a good opportunity to get some nice Greek food, as well as watch Greek dancing to Greek music (which is similar to klesmer).)
I like Oktoberfest, myself....also some other ones as well.

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dtgreene: Similarly, religions have their own holidays, and often they have festivals in their places of worship.
Yes, but afaik they usually aren't "official"(as in govvt backed...etc etc).
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dtgreene: Similarly, religions have their own holidays, and often they have festivals in their places of worship.
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GamezRanker: Yes, but afaik they usually aren't "official"(as in govvt backed...etc etc).
The government doesn't need to back these events. After all, politics and religion don't mix; they should be kept separate from one another.

I believe there's been places where LGBT pride events were banned by the authorities, but held anyway, After all, the first pride was a riot. (Ever heard about the Stonewall Riots?)
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Shadowstalker16: Still doesn't differentiate it from ''pride'' in other aspects of identity though. What differentiates this from a hypothetical racial or religious ''pride'' month? I understand observing holidays as an appeasement tool used by governments the world over and this just seems to be another flavour of it, only used in internet ''civil'' society to signal their allegiance. Instead of recognizing that holidays to show support for X are an illogical thing in the first place, this just seems to throw itself in to the broken system.
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Hope I'm hitting the right notes here:

1. You're born with an identity and pride is a product of you giving value to the various identities you pick up along in life. You're free to choose your identities, give varying values to it, or discard them as you see fit (with some legal restrictions).

2. LGBQT+ pride month is a commemorative observance to acknowledge the history and contributions of the LGBTQ+ community and their current struggles. Their end goal is equality and acceptance.

3. The point I was making is national holidays already do function for others to practice and celebrate racial and religious pride (e.g., Good Friday / Easter Monday, Thanksgiving, Christmas break for Christmas / Hanukkah / Kwanzaa, etc. in Canada and the US).

If that's not correct, please go into more depth about this hypothetical racial or religious pride month. Other examples I can think of is Ramadan or Chinese New Year. In contrast with LGBTQ+ pride, the goal is to devote themselves to the teachings of Islam and to honour traditions / spend time with your family ushering in the new year respectively. Clearly, very different end goals.

3. The rest looks like political philosophy and conjecture of holidays, so I'm not getting into that. I enjoy holidays because I get days off work. I don't really care about their meanings, but if it means a lot to other people, power to them.
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Should this sale or promotion be called a LGOGBTQ+ sale or something?

I personally know one trans person (through my wife), and there is a certain question I'd like to ask them but frankly I wouldn't dare because I fear it may be too sensitive area to discuss openly. So better leave it there, it is not like it is my business anyway. And no I am not going to ask it in private messages either. It is not a gross question or anything like that, but probably quite sensitive to many people

Maybe if there is some online LGBTQ+++ site online where normies (and nonnormies) can ask any questions from the LGBTQ+ community, but even there I fear some might take it personally even if that was not my intention.

Well, now it occurred to me maybe I can just google, probably the question has been asked already...
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dtgreene: After all, politics and religion don't mix; they should be kept separate from one another.
I agree they should be separate aspects in a society, reality is different though. So they do mix, in a peculiar way.
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dtgreene: The government doesn't need to back these events.
Still, some said groups/etc get special treatment re: holidays & the like, and others do not.

Like in the us:

Is there an Irish pride month? Or a jewish history month?

No?

But there is a Black History Month and an LGBT+ pride month?

Odd ain't it....almost seems like favoritism/discrimination to me.
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kohlrak: Turns out, there's this think called a "plethysmograph" that can measure female erections
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Darvond: So they're shocked at things which occurs in nature [/url] and yet haven't gone out to slay the entire Bonobo population?

Heavens to Betsy, I can't imagine their shock if they knew about trans animals.
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patrikc: Such an argument can easily be refuted since there are fundamental differences between species. There have been numerous studies on homosexual behavior in animals, with intriguing results. An interesting read here.

I think opposing an idea does not necessarily come with malevolence, I'm sure most sane, healthy people in the world are in the mindset of not causing harm to others based on their beliefs, feelings, lifestyle, choices, etc. Sure, there are those who take it to the extreme, but they are a minority, I'd say insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
The point is we come from different backgrounds, we hold on to certain values (or at least try to do so), therefore we will not always be on the same wavelength. What in the West is considered a right, in other areas of the world is seen as a vice. And vice versa, no doubt.
I don't know where you're from, but you won't last long in the US, or certain parts of europe.

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GamezRanker: Yes, but afaik they usually aren't "official"(as in govvt backed...etc etc).
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dtgreene: The government doesn't need to back these events. After all, politics and religion don't mix; they should be kept separate from one another.

I believe there's been places where LGBT pride events were banned by the authorities, but held anyway, After all, the first pride was a riot. (Ever heard about the Stonewall Riots?)
Try telling this to the people who find a way to worship the secular governments, even. The great utopian dream of their favorite ideology becomes their heaven on earth, and their politicians promising to bring that becomes their savior, and the state their god. It's not a literal religion, but it's hard not to see the parallels. IMO, government should stay out of these issues, but the alure of such power too much for anyone with an ideology that requires worldwide adoption to work.

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dtgreene: The government doesn't need to back these events.
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GamezRanker: Still, some said groups/etc get special treatment re: holidays & the like, and others do not.

Like in the us: Is there an Irish pride month? Or a jewish history month?
You know, there is a week for that, but only jews recognize it. It's called "passover" in english.
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GamezRanker: You seem to have missed/not gotten my point....the point being that some said events/groups/etc get special treatment re: holidays & the like, and others do not.

Like in the us: Is there an Irish pride month? Or a jewish history month?
They do: Irish-American Heritage Month (since 1991) and Jewish American Heritage Month (since 2006).
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kohlrak: Turns out, there's this think called a "plethysmograph" that can measure female erections
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Ecumen1cal:
Actual purpose is to measure bloodflow, and it's not really one specific device, but thanks to the revelations in science of hwo the male anatomy grows out of the female anatomy, we can actually measure this.
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Canuck_Cat: They do: Irish-American Heritage Month (since 1991) and Jewish American Heritage Month (since 2006).
Thanks for the info/corrections.

That said, my bad for not clarifying: I meant ones pushed as much by the govvt/corportations as LGBT+ and Black History Month. Both LGBT+ month and BHM are front and center and talked about constantly during their months, but I hardly see as much as a peep about the two you linked.
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