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So after these many years a US president is going to visit Hiroshima.
Barack Obama will become the first U.S. president to visit Hiroshima in Japan later this month, but according to the White House he will not apologize for the United States' dropping of an atomic bomb on the city at the end of World War Two.

I think it as a mass murder.
Anyway I found it very fascinating that more than two dozen people who were related to Manhattan Project won Nobel prize (some of them won it before the project).

It's like giving cookie to a kid for his mischief with neighbour. :P
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amrit9037: So after these many years a US president is going to visit Hiroshima.
Barack Obama will become the first U.S. president to visit Hiroshima in Japan later this month, but according to the White House he will not apologize for the United States' dropping of an atomic bomb on the city at the end of World War Two.
A interestingly large number of Americans believe that an apology is not necessary due to the casualties Japan inflicted and for some of their war crimes. They're sort of thinking "They attacked first and deserved it, and it was necessary since it took 2 bombs to get them to surrender."
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amrit9037: I have read that different nations have their own version of truth about Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings during World War-II in their history books.
Is this true?
What have you read in your history class?
If you're asking as far as the moral implications of the event goes, the textbooks I've read tend to be pretty even on the debate, presenting both sides of the argument evenly.

If you're asking as far as the historical facts of it, supposedly it's only Japan that's changed anything.
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zeogold: A interestingly large number of Americans believe that an apology is not necessary due to the casualties Japan inflicted and for some of their war crimes. They're sort of thinking "They attacked first and deserved it, and it was necessary since it took 2 bombs to get them to surrender."
Are these the same Americans who think doing anal saves virginity or they are the other guys? :P
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zeogold: A interestingly large number of Americans believe that an apology is not necessary due to the casualties Japan inflicted and for some of their war crimes. They're sort of thinking "They attacked first and deserved it, and it was necessary since it took 2 bombs to get them to surrender."
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amrit9037: Are these the same Americans who think doing anal saves virginity or they are the other guys? :P
None of my business.
I'm personally think that one was bad enough as it was and 2 was overkill, and there should definitely be some apology issued from both sides, but whatever.
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zeogold: None of my business.
I'm personally think that one was bad enough as it was and 2 was overkill, and there should definitely be some apology issued from both sides, but whatever.
I am happy atleast one of my friend here thinks it was an overkill.
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zeogold: None of my business.
I'm personally think that one was bad enough as it was and 2 was overkill, and there should definitely be some apology issued from both sides, but whatever.
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amrit9037: I am happy atleast one of my friend here thinks it was an overkill.
Well, I mean, we gave them 3 DAYS between bombs. Who the heck has the time to get their things together within that short span?! They were still reeling from the shock of it.
Supposedly we actually got a response which got mistranslated. It's worth reading about just because it's interesting.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TOQcCDvpxEcJ:https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/tech_journals/mokusatsu.pdf+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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amrit9037: So after these many years a US president is going to visit Hiroshima.
Barack Obama will become the first U.S. president to visit Hiroshima in Japan later this month, but according to the White House he will not apologize for the United States' dropping of an atomic bomb on the city at the end of World War Two.

I think it as a mass murder.
Anyway I found it very fascinating that more than two dozen people who were related to Manhattan Project won Nobel prize (some of them won it before the project).

It's like giving cookie to a kid for his mischief with neighbour. :P
I think it's appaling how many people think that what Truman did was right. Truman is a war criminal and should be treated as such.
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tburger: AFAIK:

1. US wanted to force Japan to surrender and avoid heavy casaulties while invading Japan home islands (likely they've also saved numerous casaulties among Japaneese people which would be better for them as they intented on occupying Japan after the war).
I remember reading somewhere in National Geographic (Nat Geo maps were apparently used by military planners) that from the reports that had come in from the US campaign on Okinawa, the military had estimated as many as 1,000,000+ casualties if US forces had attempted to take the Japanese home islands in a traditional ground campaign.

It's also worth noting that while the Japanese make a big deal about the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki (and I should add, rightfully so), there's a very conspicuous absence of any public historical acknowledgement as to the underlying reasons as to why the attacks happened in the first place.
Post edited May 12, 2016 by rampancy
I know I'm asking for trouble here, and I'm probably going to be labled a monster and a defender of genocide or whatever, but I think it's insanity to have the Allies apologise to the former Axis countries. It was a horrible war, terrible things happened to everyone, but to have USA apologise to Hitler's allies... hell no. That said, every sane person should hope such terrible things will never happen again. And by no means do I hold the Japan or Germany of today responsible, or harbor any hatred towards them. Please, keep that in mind, so no misunderstandings occur.
This raises an interesting question: Should Godzilla apologize to Tokyo?
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tinyE: This raises an interesting question: Should Godzilla apologize to Tokyo?
Hardly, considering how much money it made for Japan? I think however, that the world should apologise to Emmerich- his Godzilla really wasn't nearly as bad as most people say nowadays. And it was way better than the new one.
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tinyE: This raises an interesting question: Should Godzilla apologize to Tokyo?
Even more interesting. Was Godzilla the third nuclear "Bomb" the US developed?
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tinyE: This raises an interesting question: Should Godzilla apologize to Tokyo?
Nah, Tokyo should apologize to Godzilla.
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tinyE: This raises an interesting question: Should Godzilla apologize to Tokyo?
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Breja: Hardly, considering how much money it made for Japan? I think however, that the world should apologise to Emmerich- his Godzilla really wasn't nearly as bad as most people say nowadays. And it was way better than the new one.
Is that the one with Jean Reno?
If yes, I like that movie a great deal.
Post edited May 12, 2016 by NuffCatnip
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tinyE: This raises an interesting question: Should Godzilla apologize to Tokyo?
Considering that he protected it on a regular basis, he sort of already did.