If you have a problem or questions regarding something I have said I would appreciate if you take that directly with me so I can answer you, I just happen to read this thread and saw your post. As for what I said, I didn't tell you how to act or say I'm better than you or anyone else. I was simply questioning your behaviour toward me and others in the forum.

First, you re-traded at least one game that you got from me, I can see that in my gog account. I found that disrespectful. If you had simply said that you wanted to get it for someone else then I would most likely not had a problem with that but I did pay for the game and wanted to give it to someone that is has a big fan of adventure games as I am.

Second, you got serveral XCOM games from me in a trade and then a few days later you are asking people to gift you these exact games. I find this disrespectful to other people in the forums that also want these games, you already had them, why do you need more? You say it was for your brother. If that's the case then it's a good idea to tell whoever you gift/trade with that the game(s) are not for you, that is showing respect and people will appreciate that.

Third, there are unwritten rules in a internet community as in real life. You might not agree to the unwritten rules or actual laws in real life but you still follow them. Same goes for any community such as GOG. The unwritten rules are as what generally is called "common sense", you should basically treat people how you want to be treated yourself.

This is not a witchhunt against you as far as I can tell but if there are facts that proves the opposite then please show that. I would also like to say that I have nothing personally against you, I might not agree with how you have acted but that don't mean I hate you or anything like that. I think it's perfectly fine to question people behaviour as long as they got some facts to back up the statement.

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to give my side of the story. You or anyone else might not agree with me but that's fine. Everyone have their own opinions and that's how it should be :)

Well said

What? I didn't edit it away, the warning is still there, the only thing I did was edit in a link to my trade list because, hey, as long as I'm there, may as well bump it. That had nothing to do with you.

As for your claim that this was a witch hunt... well, as others have already explained, it clearly isn't.

Alas, if only more people would follow this rule in real life, let alone the internet the world would be a much better place. :)

It's the second day in a row that I feel GOG is being squatted by a sect.

I didn't intervene in the story because :
1) I only had a glimpse of your initial post the other day, without really following the story
2) Even if it's displayed in the public space, it doesn't really regards me (as I don't trade things here)

However my 2 cents are : Amund's opinion is completely legitimate. I consider disrespectful that people value the gift but not the action of giving. But there really is no harm, the important thing is to let know if some behaviour was deemed offending. Amund was admirable in his explanation.

And being passive-aggressive in return can't shed a good light on your case Apehater.

Everyone is forgetting...if you want to have a witch hunt you need The Witchfinder General

Apehater seemed pretty active on the general forum when he joined. I haven't paid attention lately, but he did participate in a bunch of world related threads, even though sometimes he misunderstood the situation and discussions went to hell. As for a ratio of getting video games off of forums, I really don't think people should downrep him for that. A better punishment would be for people who have a problem with him to ban him from their giveaways. Take me for example: My ratio of taken to given games is a lot to about 2 or 3. In my case I do not have access to a credit card and my laptop does not have a DVD reader, so I rely on the generosity of this community to enjoy PC gaming, which means mostly low requirement games because my laptop is very limited, with the only exception to this being a giveaway for The Witcher 2 that I've entered because I am excited for the day I'll have a new powerful PC and I want to have that game ready to be played. Should I be downrepped for that or treated badly? I would feel insulted and disgusted if people did that. Instead, if you think I take too much, then simply exclude me. It happened before, and I fully understood the situation. Would I give back to the community if I had access to a credit card? Let me assure you that you can be certain of that. As for now, life as an immigrant in US is not easy, not when you have college next year and you want to enter in one of those really good and expensive ones in order to have a good education and progress to a financially successful life.

Exactly, no one is forced to gift you anything and you shouldn't feel bad.

This latest sthitstorm pretty much just confirms the notion that this thread is a really bad idea. This is an international forum and the rules and norms are not going to be uniform to all people.

Some of the stuff here is reasonable, but some of the posts are clearly made by people that have never actually met anybody from outside their slice of the world. Three's very little you can say about what is and isn't OK that's going to truly translate into every culture out there. And most of the things that do aren't applicable online anyways.

Don't feel guilty in the slightest. If you win I will have no issue giving you the game. You will play it down the road and that's all that matters. Good Luck :)

Thank you! I know I will play it, that's why I actually entered the giveaway. I don't see the point in hoarding games you know you won't play, hence why I only collect games I know for a fact I will play. My backlog is pretty huge right now, but shiny days don't seem to be anywhere near, so I call my backlog "white money for dark days."

I am adding lugum to this list. Teshra who has unfairly come under much criticism for his investigations and for continually calling out lugum should be given the apology of the century by those who have doubted him. Please read from Teshra's post calling out lugum on the Steamgifts GOG club, from which lugum has been banned for life.

Make your own minds up as mine has been cemented. I asked him for evidence of the Paypal hacking to give him a chance to be honest, but regardless of this lack of evidence of hacking, I hope that this is enough for those with sense to have NOTHING to do with him in future. I am going to request that he is banned from posting on the forums and will PM Judasiscariot after posting this and linking it to the Steamgifts thread. lugum was banned from posting here due to uploading GOG games to torrent sites. I think with this addition he should not be allowed to interact with this community any more.

Momo can confirm the Paypal hacking story. I really took my time with this and tried to be thorough after being hasty in the past. The quote where I mention the Paypal hacking from him was June 30th 2013. This is what I just wrote to lugum after interacting with him for over a year on these forums and asking him to verify his hacked Paypal story:

"I'll break it down for you:

1/ our first contact on GOG was via Thespian as you were banned from posting at that time. He told me you wanted the Teddy Floppy Ear bundle

2/ I bought that bundle especially for you as I trusted Thespian's recommendation.

3/ Your full reply was:

"i was and i really appreciate it though unfortunately i already have it.
yesterday i noticed there was only 1 hour left on the bundle so thinking i would run out on it i pmed momo to ask if i could just borrow the $1 dollar for the bundle.
my paypal account got hacked and 400 euro transferred so that's why i removed my bankaccount from it and not have any funds in it currently (also no job) hence why i couldnt pay it myself.
i did pm thespian that i got it but he hasnt been online to edit it.

anyway i am sorry if it created a problem or you feel like a dollar wasted , plus side the money goes to a childrens charity and i am sure someone else will enjoy it too.:)

if you want, thespian could always use it in one of his giveaways so one can specifically choose to enter for the teddy games (thus really wanting them)
or i could do one myself if i can publically come back to the forums hopefully soon."

4/ Now you say "nor that me being hacked on paypal has much do with anything"

It does have to do with anything as you said that your paypal account being hacked was the reason you couldn't get the bundle yourself.

5/ Your posting history shows that for a long time BEFORE this event occurring you continually grabbed games, so it had NOTHING to do with your Paypal account being hacked as you stated.

6/ This is a result of OUR direct interaction with each other. You asked me for feedback and what I thought and I was going to give you feedback that basically said:

"You appear to take a lot and many would consider that leeching. To me that differs from scamming as leeching is subjective, especially when you have given a lot of games back and I understand what it is like being unemployed and poor. You are very augmentative when people call you out on this matter but I can understand given your history in life why you get defensive and feel bullied. I am also a defensive person from my life experiences and in those moments don't see myself as I appear to others. I think that is your major challenge on GOG and I'd like to break it down for you to see if you can understand why some view you on GOG the way they do."

7/ You are now on my scammers list lugum, and I feel like a fool for expending so much energy because I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, especially when they are similarly damaged human beings. I like to think that compassion and understanding go a long way to aiding the healing process, as unfortunately every "bad" person I have met in life(myself included) has a history of hurt and abuse.

I have done some terrible things in life that I am truly ashamed of but rather than deny then as I used to, I try to see my part and responsibility in every situation and issue and learn from the experience and grow to be a better human being. I like to think that we can all do the same but unfortunately that is not the case with some who have not been shown love. I was blessed to get enough love to balance out the abuse and hurt I have gone through in life."

This seems mental! How can you be a scammer but have over 600 rep :O I am a relative noob to the forum but still seems a bit nutty!

it's a strange thing. i had not heard of all the trouble surrounding lugum before since i don't frequent the steamgifts group. i was in it a few years ago.

i'll wait for some more clarity. i don't want to jump into this and get into trouble for "defamation" or something. with wakalo it is easier you know.

that said his posts seem a little "unstable" and aggressive. if i know more today or tomorrow i'll add his name.

Two things:

1. Rep is a system that can be manipulated; not necessarily in this case. Rep alone shouldn't be used to determine a member's value on the forums.

2. I don't think anyone is saying "scammer," at least not here, but rather "leeching"