richlind33: It's ignorant to equate "tearing it down" with counterproductive violence. I equate it with doing the sorts of things that the Wobblies did to give us the benefit of things like the 8 hour work day, which largely consisted of having their heads frequently smashed by club-wielding coppers and Pinkertons, but always getting up to keep on fighting. They did much that we should be grateful for, and in a way that was valiant and honorable.
It's also ignorant that you make asinine assumptions based purely on emotion. I've been involved in a fair number of orgs ranging from the Green Party to the Alliance For Democracy, and done a bit of canvassing and lobbying. I certainly could have done more, but what I have done is far more than nothing. So how about you? Have you done anything that's worth mentioning?
Ariod: Well I could point out how you regularly demonstrate far greater ignorance yourself, but that's not as fun or hilarous as pointing out how you regularly manage to prove my points, yourself, in your responses.
So you list your examples of what you consider "tearing it down", yet you provide examples of what you've done which are the typical "working within the system" crap that a lot of us do. Oh unless I missed that story where the Green party was out there getting beat up standing up for workers rights?
As I said initally, and you have confirmed here, you advocate for a "position" that is so unrealistic that you can't and don't do anything to work towards it.
Hah, and yeah much to your dissapointment I'm sure, nothing I say to you is based on emotion. Rather, I call em like I see em, and I've run across dozens, if not hundreds, of your type in my life. All bluster and no balls (or substance for that matter). Sorry, that's an impression it's gonna be hard to live down, as youv'e now made probably a hundred or more posts in this thread that show it, consistently, again and again.
And not that I care about proving this point to you, but yeah, I have worked for the Sanders campaign since the early days, and am still involved in Bernie's organization. That's a place where we actually work towards the positions we advocate, not just talk about them.
And sorry, but I have a hard time believing your story of "geting involved". Doesn't exactly jive with a guy who comes on to a political type thread and just tries to endlessly find conflict with anybody else's positions wherever he can and generally acts like a troll. If you truly spent a bunch of time canvassing you'd realize how idiotic and counterproductive that is, and you'd be more interested in expressing ideas and changing people's minds then endlessly attacking and looking for conflict, which does no good whatsoever. So sorry, not buying it, and nothing you have said in this thread would give me or anybody any reason to think there is anything genuine about you.
That's right, examples of trying to make the existing system good enough that it was worth having, starting about 30 years ago, stopping about 10 years ago, because it's a thoroughly dead system at this point in time. And beating your head against a brick wall for another election cycle or 2 isn't going to bring it back to life. We're losing everything we once had, and even if Bernie had managed to eke out a win, the most he could have done is slow it down a little. The corruption is so deeply entrenched that it would take decades to root it out, not 2, 3, or even 4 election cycles. And how would you even be able to address the internal corruption when it'd be all you could do to stay in power for more than 4 years?
You see, power is a queer and nasty bit of business that befuddles all but a very, very few. As soon as you get your hands on it you quickly realize that most, if not all of it, has to be utilized for the purpose of *keeping* your hands on it, and that means "revolutionary" or "progressive" agendas quickly transform into the very same thing we've seen every single time before, for thousands upon thousands of years: a pathetic and despicable fool desperately clinging to something he sought to wield in triumphant majesty. lol
Funny, but also very, very sad. But hey! For you guys it'll all be different the next around because...well, just because.
But I really do like you, so here's a free protip: get into community-building, because if you have community, you have a chance. And if you already are, double up and do more of it. ;p