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Posted March 27, 2020
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karnak1: Funny thing is : even though I hate steam I hope it doesn't goes bankrupt.
If GOG or epic went down, life would go on. Some people (like me) would return to pirating games, while others would just start buying on steam.

But if steam went down (meaning that millions of gamers would lose access to their libraries containing thousands of games) I suspect most of these millions of customers would "rage-quit" the PC market and stop playing video games forever (sure, some of of them would probably just move to consoles, but I think the majority would never touch a video-game in their lives again).

It would be a catastrophe for the industry. Perhaps even bigger than the video-game crash of 1983.
Just an hypothesis, of course.
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Timboli: While I agree with some of what you say in essence, I also believe there would eventually be a silver lining ... DRM on games would disappear, probably forever ... because of trust issues, that would need to occur.

So yes, Steam dying would be terrible in the long short term, but it would also depend on how they died, and how the Devs and Publishers reacted, and whether records are available and trusted. And really, they would have to do the right thing for consumers, or suffer the back of the game industry being broken overnight.

In any case, I doubt it would ever happen, and probably be like governments supporting banks. Too many have a vested interest in ensuring everything doesn't go belly up. Because of that, at best, the GOG DRM-Free model can never win, only be managed very carefully and cleverly ... if it wasn't for the cloud and average modern mentality, things might be different.
Never say never, friend.
I bet you probably never imagined to see the entire world stopping and trembling in fear because of a virus. At least not at such a scale.
And we still haven't reached the phase of the economic consequences.

Just to state that no empire lives forever. Maybe steam will still exist in 2120. But will be in a completely different way in which it exists today. Just like ATARI is still alive, yet it has nothing to do with the thing created by Nolan Bushnell.
Posted March 27, 2020
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Squirline: Agree. Leagues is like a decade old and still pumps out plenty of profit, Fortnite will be here for year probably.
Epic store is not good, but it is getting better slowly.
We can only win with their competition ,even with the exclusives,those aren't even a new thing , just look at Blizzard games. GoG on the other hand became stale imho.
Honestly i can live without most of it. But i REALLY dislike some of the new browser updates, space wise, how they perform, not as well tested. Firefox was a 'lightweight alternative', and the team moved from being open to being more the same. I'd only use it because it's not MS and it's not Google. Not much a choice in that matter. Having a backup old-school version to access your games using the minimal features to get your games and access the forums i would have preferred.

Blizzard, has really fallen apart much like Steam/Valve, complacent, lazy, greedy. Perhaps that's more due to Activision's
takeover, but it's still there.

Makes you kinda hope for a crash. The major companies that you don't need to fail, fall away, and new more inventive ones to take their place. Old IP's to just go into limbo and be archived and let new ones take their place over several years.
Posted March 27, 2020
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personal lee, non. i dont really game much an' tbh only rly cum on here due to uuuh habit then
an' even then its like whoosh for a while then naaazin'

teh problem with gogie is its both sumwut niche (which is fine. lke... carve out a small drm-free portion of teh pie an' be content), but also! tied with a much bigger piece of teh puzzle when it cums to cd projekt red (sigh.. pies, puzzles... my analogies suck teh big one)

that like inflates teh scope of gogie but like it doesnt really have teh abilities or know-how of other, larger, moar popular client (etc) gamin' companies, which is an anchor
codin' (on teh gogie sid e) is an issue too, tbh

doesnt help gogie is laggin' behind alot moar naodays with timely updates 'n' releases. i wonder if thats coz they are jugglin' so many balls
or mebbe its just a coincidence, or to do with expectations


remembah i has no idea wut im even talkin' boot, sooo.
Posted March 27, 2020
Epic isn't hurting anyone. It's over hyped.
Posted March 27, 2020
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karnak1: Never say never, friend.
Well I didn't say it couldn't happen, just that I doubt it would, because of the fallout and vested interests.

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karnak1: I bet you probably never imagined to see the entire world stopping and trembling in fear because of a virus. At least not at such a scale.
And we still haven't reached the phase of the economic consequences.
Well, actually ... I did, because they have been warning us about if for years, and I am also an avid SciFi reader, who certainly loves apocalyptic type fiction. So I had no doubt in my mind it would happen eventually. Science is in a real race to stay ahead ... and losing much of the time ... always been the case.

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karnak1: Just to state that no empire lives forever. Maybe steam will still exist in 2120. But will be in a completely different way in which it exists today. Just like ATARI is still alive, yet it has nothing to do with the thing created by Nolan Bushnell.
Indeed, but it is more likely that civilization will collapse first, then Steam. LOL

And GOG will become GOUGE ..... Good Old Under Ground Engagers. ha ha ha ha
Post edited March 27, 2020 by Timboli
Posted March 27, 2020
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Squirline: Without a downloader it is just a pain to get your games.
Yes, it's really a pain to download zero games.
Posted March 27, 2020
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Fairfox: personal lee, non. i dont really game much an' tbh only rly cum on here due to uuuh habit then
an' even then its like whoosh for a while then naaazin'

teh problem with gogie is its both sumwut niche (which is fine. lke... carve out a small drm-free portion of teh pie an' be content), but also! tied with a much bigger piece of teh puzzle when it cums to cd projekt red (sigh.. pies, puzzles... my analogies suck teh big one)

that like inflates teh scope of gogie but like it doesnt really have teh abilities or know-how of other, larger, moar popular client (etc) gamin' companies, which is an anchor
codin' (on teh gogie sid e) is an issue too, tbh

doesnt help gogie is laggin' behind alot moar naodays with timely updates 'n' releases. i wonder if thats coz they are jugglin' so many balls
or mebbe its just a coincidence, or to do with expectations

remembah i has no idea wut im even talkin' boot, sooo.
If you can't take the tra bull to write proper lee, I am not gon ner bother to read. :P

And for those who do single liner troll like comments, you are also on the ignore list. Have a point of view, back it up.
Posted March 27, 2020
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karnak1: It's funny that you use such an argument, because one of the main reasons why people buy on GOG instead of steam or epic is that - if GOG goes down - in theory you can still install and play all of your 900 games through their offline installers.
I've already answered this as you have probably seen, but want to add more specifics.

Most of the games I have bought at GOG, have not yet been installed and played.

And going by the forums, I am likely to experience a variety of issues when I do install and play. Even if it is just advice from other users ... an addon to get, a setting to change, etc, etc.

So the Forum pages here and GOG Support are invaluable.

Sure, some of what I might need can be found in other places. But far better to not have to do that, and some things will be GOG specific.
Post edited March 27, 2020 by Timboli
Posted March 28, 2020
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karnak1: It's funny that you use such an argument, because one of the main reasons why people buy on GOG instead of steam or epic is that - if GOG goes down - in theory you can still install and play all of your 900 games through their offline installers.
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Timboli: I've already answered this as you have probably seen, but want to add more specifics.

Most of the games I have bought at GOG, have not yet been installed and played.

And going by the forums, I am likely to experience a variety of issues when I do install and play. Even if it is just advice from other users ... an addon to get, a setting to change, etc, etc.

So the Forum pages here and GOG Support are invaluable.

Sure, some of what I might need can be found in other places. But far better to not have to do that, and some things will be GOG specific.
Just to add one final, interesting fact:
At least epic has the goodwill to allow GOG to sell their old games (including a "freebie"), while valve never allowed any of their games (like Half-Life) to be sold here. I'd say that, despite the "competition", GOG and epic are somewhat on good terms.
Post edited March 28, 2020 by karnak1
Posted March 28, 2020
Guys guys maybe if we ignore it long enough it'll go away
Posted March 28, 2020
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karnak1: Just to add one final, interesting fact:
At least epic has the goodwill to allow GOG to sell their old games (including a "freebie"), while valve never allowed any of their games (like Half-Life) to be sold here. I'd say that, despite the "competition", GOG and epic are somewhat on good terms.
Once again, I wouldn't read too much into things, as likely there is an agenda ... probably Steam related.

Steam are so big, that they can ignore minor benefits from providing GOG with anything.

We will have to see how any perception of goodwill from Epic, lasts into the future.

A lot of ducking and weaving and masking going on ... and not just for the virus. LOL
Posted March 28, 2020
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karnak1: Just to add one final, interesting fact:
At least epic has the goodwill to allow GOG to sell their old games (including a "freebie"), while valve never allowed any of their games (like Half-Life) to be sold here. I'd say that, despite the "competition", GOG and epic are somewhat on good terms.
Well, they (Epic) don't even sell their older games there.
Post edited March 28, 2020 by M3troid
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