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Posted April 30, 2018
Activity Feed • Gameplay Stats • Personalization


UPDATE: We've added a new option to the Privacy settings in GOG Profiles - from now on you can turn off your profile on GOG entirely, so no one can see any kind of information that is shown on the profile page. This also means that when you turn off your profile, you won’t be visible on your friends’ friends lists, even if they decide to keep their profiles visible.
The option to enable/disable your GOG Profile can be found in your account „Privacy & Settings” options, under „Privacy” tab.



We just introduced a new feature on GOG.COM: User Profiles – a social way to share what you and your friends are up to. See what your friends on GOG are playing, achieving, and sharing across four sections – Feed, Profile, Games and Friends.

Your Feed is the centerpiece of your Profile. Here, you’ll see which games your friends have been playing, all sorts of achievements and milestones, as well as general thoughts, screenshots, and forum activity. You can dispense your approval at whim and share your own stuff as well!

Your Profile is all about you and your gaming accomplishments. It's a summary of your activity, like the time you've spent in your games , your latest achievements (and just how rare they are among other users), as well as a glimpse at what your most active friends have been up to.

If you want to know more about your Games, you need to hit the the third tab. It contains a list of all the games you own on GOG, together with stats like time spent in-game and your progress towards unlocking the achievements. Sort the list, compare stats with your friends, and get some healthy competition going.

Finally – your Friends: get a general summary of their achievements and hours played. Here you'll also see which games are the most popular among your friends right now, so you can join them in multiplayer or find something you might enjoy yourself.

Of course, your profile comes with some sweet personalization options, choose a wallpaper from your game collection and share a few words with the world.

User Profiles are available for all GOG.COM users. Your personal gameplay stats like achievements, time played and milestones depend on GOG Galaxy, but if you’re not using the optional client you can still use the feed, post in it and interact with your friends.

Launching profiles also means adding new privacy settings on our end. You'll find three new Privacy options in your account's „Privacy & settings” area. These settings allow you to set the visibility for your profile summary, your games, your friends, etc.
So what are you waiting for? There's so much room for activities!
Posted April 26, 2018
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xyem: ... We know a lot of you enjoy sharing your gaming experiences with friends on GOG and we are about the make that even easier!

Next month we will be launching GOG Profiles, a one-stop shop for sharing your achievements, collection and keeping on top of those great discussions on the forums you want to be part of.

If you want to join in the fun right from the get-go, please head over to your privacy settings and set what you want shown on your profile when the system goes live, as nothing will be displayed by default. These can be changed at any time in the future, so there's no rush.. but we will miss you at the launch party :(

We've dropped a forum thread here (with links to some examples what they will look like), drop in if you have any questions or concerns!

Happy sharing!
GOG Team
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That's a really nice, polite, business-like formulation of an idea that would have worked and gone through smoothly for sure. Thank you for displaying that actually doing a much better job is really piece of cake and it's not that GOG couldn't be better, it's "just" that they decide not to be better.

I wonder where they got their top management from these days? Second hand Facebook managers? Somewhere else?

Marcin and Guillaume (the monks from the September stunt of a far distant, long gone, past), who are still stakeholders of CDP, do not seem to be informed about anything going on with GOG, I have to assume. Because I think they would never sanction such rather blunt approaches. Or would they? I would actually be interested in hearing what they think about GOG's recent development, where even Steam shows more respect to privacy than GOG.
Posted April 26, 2018
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Pheace: I can kind of see that point since we're all so used to it from Steam and the like but do you think everyone would be fine with it if Amazon/etc suddenly made a profile page and started displaying similar information with no way to turn it off?
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Gersen: I think it's two different thing; whenever peoples should have an option to disable it and whenever "legally speaking" it is considered as being "private information".

While I do think there should be an option to totally hide this information for those who want it; I don't think it's really "private information" even for the GDPR. (but again I am not a lawyer)
Why should lawyers have anything to say about it? Spying is unethical -- period!

Think about it the next time you're in a dressing room trying on clothes.
Posted April 26, 2018
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Sigh. I really don't like that clicking on my nickname in the navbar leads to profile/activity feed.
Posted April 26, 2018
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nepundo: Now if you'll be so kind as to tell me how NOT to share my number of games, achievements and hours played, which are private information about myself? Thanks.
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Galamid: I'm pretty sure that's not private information.
Let me quote the GDRP's definition here:

‘personal data’ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’); an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological, genetic, mental, economic, cultural or social identity of that natural person;
To my understanding, this means: If someone knows which handle you use on GOG (my brother does, for example), the data GOG displays about you becomes personal data. Or if someone (like Facebook) has a method of correlating metrics unique to you (the browser/plugins you use, geolocation, maybe a MAC address or your hardware profile, your IP range/address, maybe all of those in conjunction), and you have a profile there that also relates to your "identifiable natural person", it also becomes personal data.

Since GOG cannot guarantee that not a single profile fits that description, they need to give us the tools to manage which data we want to show.

Edit: By the by, "personal" and "sensitive" information are not the same thing.
Post edited April 26, 2018 by Mueslinator
Posted April 26, 2018
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richlind33: Why should lawyers have anything to say about it? Spying is unethical -- period!
Because lawyers are most likely to know what is and what isn't "legally" private information when compared to random Internet forum members.
Posted April 26, 2018
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richlind33: Why should lawyers have anything to say about it? Spying is unethical -- period!
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Gersen: Because lawyers are most likely to know what is and what isn't "legally" private information when compared to random Internet forum members.
I'm not interested in what is or isn't "legal", only in what is or isn't ethical.
Posted April 26, 2018
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Taro94: Why does it make a difference if a profile is not existent or if it's displayed only to you? Judging from some of its comments, some people think full privacy is not enough and the profile should not exist at all, which is pretty ridiculous.
If it exists, but is not visible, it can become visible by a single bit flip during some system update.
If it doesn't exist in the first place, such threat doesn't exist.

They could have done this like some other online services have; creating an account doesn't automatically create a profile, but you need to create it separately - in some cases even with a different password.

Also, it's not only a privacy issue, it's a user-friendliness and UI ergonomy issue. Clicking your own username should take you to some place, where most critical or valuable information is, in GOG's case either account settings or game library. Now after this profile thing, it takes you to something called "activity feed" which exists there even if you set all information as private as the system allows and even if you have never even downloaded Galaxy or other such things.

There's no justification for any of this, even less so having everything set publicly visible by default.
Post edited April 26, 2018 by PixelBoy
Posted April 26, 2018
Ticket (me complaining about default settings for privacy) response:

Thank you for sharing your concerns. We have nothing to communicate at this point, but we have forwarded your feedback to the appropriate department.
We apologize for the inconvenience.


Edit: formatting didnt work
Post edited April 26, 2018 by Zrevnur
Posted April 26, 2018
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In general, we don’t share information about you to third parties. There’re exceptions like our Trusted Partners, [...]
• Third party vendors [...]
• Third party vendors [...]
• Third party vendors [...]
• Third party vendors [...]
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• Social media platforms for the purpose of personalized and targeted communication;
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Vainamoinen: Say it with me GOG: Fucking facebook. That's a capitalized "Trusted Partner" for you.

I, uhm, have trust issues. So does everybody with a functional brain.
thanks for pointing that out. That annoys me much more than than the whole profile thing.
sharing my data with social media platforms for marketing purposes should be a no-go, or at least a voluntary opt-in.
Posted April 26, 2018
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Galamid: I'm pretty sure that's not private information.
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Pheace: I can kind of see that point since we're all so used to it from Steam and the like but do you think everyone would be fine with it if Amazon/etc suddenly made a profile page and started displaying similar information with no way to turn it off?

Another big thing is that on Steam, you knew what you were getting into when you bought into it, since it used to be that way from the start.

On GOG people knew none of that information was public, and now suddenly after having already been customers for a while/long time that privacy is suddenly being stripped away.
On GOG people knew none of that information was public, and now suddenly after having already been customers for a while/long time that privacy is suddenly being stripped away.


and thats why so many users responded: we already knew that sites like Steam, Gamersgate and all other would be sharing user info so we knew what to expect...
GOG however always said they would not be like that.... so thats why we never saw it really coming .... thats why it hits ....

Anyway lawyers the ones that defend the big bucks will always do anything to protect the rear ends from companies
( using the line senator kennedy used when he asked mr zuckerberg questions about the terms/tos/ whatever FB call it.)

These lawyers will advise and tell what is allowed and what is not and what is in a sort of 'grey area' and might be able to work around it, thats what they do :D
So basically many are shocked now becausemost did not expect this from GOG.
Posted April 26, 2018
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nepundo: Now if you'll be so kind as to tell me how NOT to share my number of games, achievements and hours played, which are private information about myself? Thanks.
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Galamid: I'm pretty sure that's not private information.
in a way it is.... just because it is not recognised as such does not mean it should be shared publicly, especially if people did not agree on it, which is the case because with all other companies we knew they be sharing the living daylights out of any information they have about users.

Many times you can read in forums about making your game collection NOT shown to the world only to friends you know in reallife, seems many parts can be set seperately so they usually suggest to show the user info but HIDE the games collection, and this info was shown by GOG by default....
Posted April 26, 2018
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Zrevnur: Ticket (me complaining about default settings for privacy) response:

Thank you for sharing your concerns. We have nothing to communicate at this point, but we have forwarded your feedback to the appropriate department.
We apologize for the inconvenience.

Edit: formatting didnt work
I got the same message.

At the same time, GOG updated their TOS and it contains a passage, that basically says: if you don't like our TOS, stop using GOG. Was that always there?

In any case, the passage in the privacy policy saying that the user can control what information is shared is still there. So the passage that GOG isn't adhering to.
Posted April 26, 2018
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How about making positive changes to work on continuing to differentiate oneself from the competition as a viable alternative? One great and simple step would be to stop making Galaxy installers the default, but that goes against the agenda.

Mark my words, these profiles are a step towards forced Galaxy for everyone. "Everyone HAS to have Galaxy so that GOG/publishers get data on playtime; otherwise, X publisher won't want to come here". And since GOG does not consider Galaxy DRM, they can still advertise as DRM-free. It's alarming. Right now, for non-Galaxy users, the profile will say "0 hours played". Imo there is no way that they want that to stand for very long.

I will say the profiles look nice. NOT worth the expense of displaying information I want private, but they look "nice". However, other than the backgrounds being gorgeous, how does this help compete? Why antagonize loyal customers in this bid to be like Steam? And I will again ask how the few sad lapdogs defending these changes reason that a mom-and-pop store can compete against a Walmart?
Posted April 26, 2018
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xyem: ... We know a lot of you enjoy sharing your gaming experiences with friends on GOG and we are about the make that even easier!

Next month we will be launching GOG Profiles, a one-stop shop for sharing your achievements, collection and keeping on top of those great discussions on the forums you want to be part of.

If you want to join in the fun right from the get-go, please head over to your privacy settings and set what you want shown on your profile when the system goes live, as nothing will be displayed by default. These can be changed at any time in the future, so there's no rush.. but we will miss you at the launch party :(

We've dropped a forum thread here (with links to some examples what they will look like), drop in if you have any questions or concerns!

Happy sharing!
GOG Team
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Trilarion: That's a really nice, polite, business-like formulation of an idea that would have worked and gone through smoothly for sure. Thank you for displaying that actually doing a much better job is really piece of cake and it's not that GOG couldn't be better, it's "just" that they decide not to be better.

I wonder where they got their top management from these days? Second hand Facebook managers? Somewhere else?

Marcin and Guillaume (the monks from the September stunt of a far distant, long gone, past), who are still stakeholders of CDP, do not seem to be informed about anything going on with GOG, I have to assume. Because I think they would never sanction such rather blunt approaches. Or would they? I would actually be interested in hearing what they think about GOG's recent development, where even Steam shows more respect to privacy than GOG.
i agree with this ( i saw some videos from when they started....) and i hate to admit that evil steam sofar seems to protect the gamers info better, if they do share some emailadress ( so we can be targeted directly to 'fitting' ads in our inbox) there is little we can do about that cause everyone seems to be doing that....:D
but sofar i hid all games on stean also on gamersgate .... but here the number and probably all titles 'leaked' to anyone who happned to be clicking on some user profiles .... ( sighes)

Marcin and Guillaume (the monks from the September stunt of a far distant, long gone, past), who are still stakeholders of CDP, do not seem to be informed about anything going on with GOG, I have to assume. Because I think they would never sanction such rather blunt approaches. Or would they? I would actually be interested in hearing what they think about GOG's recent development, where even Steam shows more respect to privacy than GOG.
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Zrevnur: Ticket (me complaining about default settings for privacy) response:

Thank you for sharing your concerns. We have nothing to communicate at this point, but we have forwarded your feedback to the appropriate department.
We apologize for the inconvenience.

Edit: formatting didnt work
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Lifthrasil: I got the same message.

At the same time, GOG updated their TOS and it contains a passage, that basically says: if you don't like our TOS, stop using GOG. Was that always there?

In any case, the passage in the privacy policy saying that the user can control what information is shared is still there. So the passage that GOG isn't adhering to.
I dont know but in the past few weeks the terms and eulas do sound a little bit more 'agressive' and less friendly the when we first joined.... we are all used to the unfriendly other companies .... because it is all over the internet :D but the GOG was different almost like a virtual family ....

Anyway lets hope this is all a bad dream and GOG was 'hacked' or something and all this are messages from bad kiddies who want to pull our legs and make generally a lot of fun while doing so ....
but reality knocks and i'm afraid this is no joke and no bad kiddies have hacked the GOG .... ( sighes)
Post edited April 26, 2018 by gamesfreak64
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gamesfreak64: [..]just because it is not recognised as such [...]
But the GDPR does recognize this data as personal ("private" isn't really used in a legal context, as far as I am aware). As I pointed out in my last reply: The GDPR defines personal data in a way that very much makes the data GOG does not let us hide as personal, unless in very specific cases where there is no - direct or indirect - way to relate that data to a natural person.

On a tangent, since I also mentioned that "personal" is not the same as "sensitive": Sensitive data usually means that this data may be used in ways that are detrimental to a person. This is what the discussion about "being bullied for the number of games you own" would be about. Another case would be the someone's faith in certain communities. In others, even their relationship status. Sensitive data is a subset of personal data, but the discussion of "can this be used against me" isn't a discussion that defines personal data, it defines sensitive data - at that point, both parties already have implicitly agreed that the data discussed is personal.
Post edited April 26, 2018 by Mueslinator
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