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darthspudius: 90% of negative things you'll hear about Win 10 is a bunch of idiots don't know better. The OS is excellent once it gets going. There is plenty of features to disable etc, but it's not as bad as ANYONE makes it out to be.
Well, I`ve seen things...things, I say!!!
For example, the one streamer where the stream abruptly ended. After a few minutes he told us via chat, that Virus 10 decided to shut down the PC for installing updates while he was playing and streaming the game!
An OS is something that leaves all important decissions to you, Virus 10 is not an OS because it takes control over your PC!
I hope I can sit this one out and wait for 11
See, I don't believe "there will be no 11" because shy it's called "10" then and not just Windows?
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astroclay: I recently had to replace my PC so I'll be moving to Windows 10. I'm not thrilled about changing my OS after so many years, but it's necessary for work-related reasons.

Does anyone have any advice on using Windows 10? Does it still force updates for Microsoft's bloatware and corporate spyware?
Disable Windows Update with Windows Update Blocker by Sordum.

Install Classic Start/Classic Shell/Open Shell to make that fucking Start Menu usable again.
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Maxvorstadt: For example, the one streamer where the stream abruptly ended. After a few minutes he told us via chat, that Virus 10 decided to shut down the PC for installing updates while he was playing and streaming the game!
I've also seen that, I think that auto-rebooting may be specific to Windows 10 Professional. I've never had nor seen the Home edition do that.

Good advice in this thread. I also highly recommended Classic Shell and OO ShutUp 10.
Yeah, classic shell is a must on win 8 and above! I hate this "Kachel-Optik" (sorry, don`t know the english word for that).
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Maxvorstadt: Yeah, classic shell is a must on win 8 and above! I hate this "Kachel-Optik" (sorry, don`t know the english word for that).
Material Design? Metro? Flat design?
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AlienMind: I hope I can sit this one out and wait for 11
See, I don't believe "there will be no 11" because shy it's called "10" then and not just Windows?
The same reason MacOS has the X in the name.
Post edited November 04, 2018 by Darvond
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AlienMind: I hope I can sit this one out and wait for 11
See, I don't believe "there will be no 11" because shy it's called "10" then and not just Windows?
You're quite the optimistic one if you believe that a potential future version of Windows is going to be more user-friendly. Microsoft's business direction should be clear, based on Windows 10 as well as their original plans for the Xbox One. They may adjust the outer appearance of Windows, but underneath that it's still going to be a mess of DRM, spyware, advertisements and integrated storefronts.
I had to take up Windows 10 for work reasons and have found that every update has broken in some way and needed some repair work. Day to day, it seems to work okay, but having disable/remove so much to make it useful is hardly intuitive.

In my opinion, it's an odd change of direction that no one asked for, but it does just about do the job.
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CharlesGrey: They may adjust the outer appearance of Windows, but underneath that it's still going to be a mess of DRM, spyware, advertisements and integrated storefronts.
That sums up Windows 10 nicely. The "app store" tries to look like Linux's friendly app selector but it's all Microsoft approved stuff and most of it costs money. For example, Office now costs extra! There are free versions of most of Microsoft's stuff for this reason.

It's really bogged down and requires either trusting a bunch of tools made by third parties or hand stripping out many un-needed to just plain malevolent processes to really be usable. Even when stripped down Windows 10 still glitches and crashes.

A general windows 10 tip: Do not leave storage media attached if not in use.

If something goes wrong you can lose everything on it. Windows has corrupted one brand new (under 6 month old, under 10 uses!) flash drive I own already. Older Windows versions (pre-7) didn't do this and Linux actually has rescued drives for me. That should say something.
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Maxvorstadt: Yeah, classic shell is a must on win 8 and above! I hate this "Kachel-Optik" (sorry, don`t know the english word for that).
Tile interface.

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drewpants: I had to take up Windows 10 for work reasons and have found that every update has broken in some way and needed some repair work. Day to day, it seems to work okay, but having disable/remove so much to make it useful is hardly intuitive.

In my opinion, it's an odd change of direction that no one asked for, but it does just about do the job.
Same here. My own PC is still running 7 (which for me was the "finally they got it!" version, and then it all went to shit...).
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kitsuneae: That sums up Windows 10 nicely. The "app store" tries to look like Linux's friendly app selector but it's all Microsoft approved stuff and most of it costs money. For example, Office now costs extra! There are free versions of most of Microsoft's stuff for this reason.

It's really bogged down and requires either trusting a bunch of tools made by third parties or hand stripping out many un-needed to just plain malevolent processes to really be usable. Even when stripped down Windows 10 still glitches and crashes.

A general windows 10 tip: Do not leave storage media attached if not in use.

If something goes wrong you can lose everything on it. Windows has corrupted one brand new (under 6 month old, under 10 uses!) flash drive I own already. Older Windows versions (pre-7) didn't do this and Linux actually has rescued drives for me. That should say something.
It's sad how Windows used to be the simple, "user-friendly" standard OS, but nowadays you need to do so much research and make manual tweaks to the OS, to the point that you could just as well use a more advanced, alternate OS. The primary reason why people still put up with it is MS's near-monopoly and the fact that a wide range of new hard- and software requires Windows 10.

I may soon have to install Windows 10 on a new PC myself, as Windows 7 is ( officially ) not Ryzen compatible, and I'm not looking forward to it at all. On the bright side, this mess also convinced me to finally try Linux, and ideally use Windows 10 only as a secondary OS for new PC games.

What happened to your ( external? ) drives?
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toxicTom: Same here. My own PC is still running 7 (which for me was the "finally they got it!" version, and then it all went to shit...).
I thought XP was already great, too. I remember Windows 98 used to give me the infamous "blue screen of death" at least once per week, but Windows XP only rarely crashed, and Windows 7 hardly ever gave me any trouble.
Post edited November 05, 2018 by CharlesGrey
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kitsuneae: That sums up Windows 10 nicely. The "app store" tries to look like Linux's friendly app selector but it's all Microsoft approved stuff and most of it costs money. For example, Office now costs extra! There are free versions of most of Microsoft's stuff for this reason.

It's really bogged down and requires either trusting a bunch of tools made by third parties or hand stripping out many un-needed to just plain malevolent processes to really be usable. Even when stripped down Windows 10 still glitches and crashes.

A general windows 10 tip: Do not leave storage media attached if not in use.

If something goes wrong you can lose everything on it. Windows has corrupted one brand new (under 6 month old, under 10 uses!) flash drive I own already. Older Windows versions (pre-7) didn't do this and Linux actually has rescued drives for me. That should say something.
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CharlesGrey: It's sad how Windows used to be the simple, "user-friendly" standard OS, but nowadays you need to do so much research and make manual tweaks to the OS, to the point that you could just as well use a more advanced, alternate OS. The primary reason why people still put up with it is MS's near-monopoly and the fact that a wide range of new hard- and software requires Windows 10.

I may soon have to install Windows 10 on a new PC myself, as Windows 7 is ( officially ) not Ryzen compatible, and I'm not looking forward to it at all. On the bright side, this mess also convinced me to finally try Linux, and ideally use Windows 10 only as a secondary OS for new PC games.

What happened to your ( external? ) drives?
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toxicTom: Same here. My own PC is still running 7 (which for me was the "finally they got it!" version, and then it all went to shit...).
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CharlesGrey: I thought XP was already great, too. I remember Windows 98 used to give me the infamous "blue screen of death" at least once per week, but Windows XP only rarely crashed, and Windows 7 hardly ever gave me any trouble.
Ah, Win 98. Sometimes a crash of Win 98 has also corrupted the BIOS of my PC. In such cases I had to reset the BIOS to default, because the PC wouldn`t even start without it!
I still don`t understand how a crashed game could corrupt the BIOS, but it happened too often to be just coincidence.
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kitsuneae: A general windows 10 tip: Do not leave storage media attached if not in use.

If something goes wrong you can lose everything on it. Windows has corrupted one brand new (under 6 month old, under 10 uses!) flash drive I own already. Older Windows versions (pre-7) didn't do this and Linux actually has rescued drives for me. That should say something.
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CharlesGrey: I may soon have to install Windows 10 on a new PC myself, as Windows 7 is ( officially ) not Ryzen compatible, and I'm not looking forward to it at all. On the bright side, this mess also convinced me to finally try Linux, and ideally use Windows 10 only as a secondary OS for new PC games.

What happened to your ( external? ) drives?
I think Linux is compatible with Rizen now. If not, it should be patchable to work. Live disks are a great way to check. Dual booting is annoying to set up, but nice if you need OS options. I wish Windows did live disks like Linux does. I don't think it does...

Between the two, Linux really is more stable. At least if something goes wrong in Linux it's usually a dependency error fixable with a few updates/downloads. Mix in easy distributions like Linux Mint and the only reason to ever get Windows 10 is if specific programs or a job requires it.

Anyway, about the dead drive:

I was using a flash drive to work on setting up files to run on an Ouya. The Ouya was a lucky find at a thrift store and fixing it up has been something fun to do in my spare time. Due to the Ouya's age, clumsy file system, and weak specs it makes more sense to get the files together on an outside computer, set them up for the most part on the flash drive, then insert the drive into the ouya to finish the job.

My linux machine got damaged in a recent move leaving me with my Windows 10 laptop as my only working computer. I attached the drive to my Windows 10 laptop and left it in, working on the files when I had spare time. I'm the type that shuts the computer down at the end of the night then boots it up when ready to use it. After a few boots I checked back on my files to work some more and got an error. Windows 10 said the drive needed to be formatted. I could not access the files on the drive. I did the slow and thorough formatting type, hoping that would work. I got the same error: drive can not be read, please format it.

I know it can't be the files I was putting on the drive. I checked all of them and downloaded them from reputable sources. Nothing in them would be able to cause a drive to malfunction anyway as it was generally gaming things and android APKs. The laptop is virus free, so that's not the cause. It is a nearly new flash drive totally unusable for zero reason. Windows somehow killed my flash drive.

I will have to check and probably reformat the drive again once my linux machine is working again. For now, though, I am out of luck.
Post edited November 06, 2018 by kitsuneae
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kitsuneae: A general windows 10 tip: Do not leave storage media attached if not in use.

If something goes wrong you can lose everything on it. Windows has corrupted one brand new (under 6 month old, under 10 uses!) flash drive I own already. Older Windows versions (pre-7) didn't do this and Linux actually has rescued drives for me. That should say something.
That's a thing?! I have a HDD attached to the USB port all the time. Think I'd better not take the risk then :(
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AlienMind: I hope I can sit this one out and wait for 11
See, I don't believe "there will be no 11" because shy it's called "10" then and not just Windows?
I read somewhere that they kept the 10 in for consistency (as in not to confuse people) but that they are going to eventually remove it and it will be just Windows from that point on. I don't think there are any plans for a successor. They are just going to keep updating Win (10) forever.