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Hoping on upset train for hating on GoG for letting the bad guys have a win.

Also, just cuz I can't make a post without it, I'd also like to complain that GoG treats Linux users like third-class citizens.
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Lightsockie: Hoping on upset train for hating on GoG for letting the bad guys have a win.
I think you mean "hopping".
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amok: do not mean that all games must have it. they are critical of lack of diversity, yes, and wants more, but that does not mean that all games must have. I have not seen a single person saying so.
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LootHunter: Yes, it is very convenient position "We don't want all games to have diversity, we are just critisizing every game that doesn't meet our diversity standards."
The same is true of tv shows; they only want diversity in the tv shows that they're not interested in. Can't be putting diversity into buffy the vampire slayer! Anything that men like, though, they feel a sociopathic need to tear down.
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dudalb: This thread has become a excellent example of why "geeK" sites...Movies,Games,Comics..are the worst place on Earth for political discussions. Endelss posturing.
"I have nothing of value to contribute to this thread, but I feel the urgent need to post anyway. So I'll just go ahead and make a gross generalisation to show everyone how above it all I am. Hahaha, checkmate, geeks!"

^^Literally the "content" of your post.
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devoras: I would prefer we treat games like games, without the need to worry about using them to fight some misplaced cultural crusade or to defend against it. Let the free market decide what people want to play, stop trying to control people and you'll stop having so much pushback, let them be entertained and just enjoy what they enjoy.
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Vainamoinen: (1) Somehow, if the Postal 2 devs fight a misplaced cultural crusade with the explicitly enlisted help of nazis, you seem to find that OK. Newsflash: all art is propaganda, and the most overt propaganda is not from a developer who gives you a black homosexual protagonist. It's from reactionary bumblers like the Paradise Lost DLC devs. They get to push their propaganda overtly and you just shrug, regurgitating whataboutism on people's asses. That's bigotry off the charts.

(2) Gamergate was explicitly opposed to letting the free market decide anything. Every game developer who considered social issues in his/her games and made products targeted at anyone besides the male hetero target group of the 1990s industry was branded with the fascist enemy concept "SJW", a traitor to be boycotted, smeared and defunded. Every journalist and critic who wrote about the larger meaning of those games was branded outcast, called no longer a fan of the beloved media that made every single one take up the shit job that they did. Shit pay, stupendous working hours and so much hate from "gamers" in your inbox because you gave a 9 to a game that "objectively deserved" a perfect 10.
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RWarehall: As for the "Gamers are Dead" articles, it's amazing how some people want to portray 8 articles saying basically the same thing published the same day....
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Vainamoinen: You're parrotting lies and you're making up your own on top.

(a) The articles published on and after August 28th were clearly a reaction to the threats Anita Sarkeesian received the day before. If people pointed at the newspapers from September 12, 2001 and cried "collusion" because they all condemned the poor terrorists, the argument would hold exactly as much water.
(b) The threats Sarkeesian received August 27th, which made her leave her house, made her parents leave theirs, and got the FBI involved, were the result of stochastic terrorism perpetrated from the movement later known as gamergate.
You're obviously trolling because of the information you're choosing to conveniently leave out but I thought I'd also weigh in on some of your nonsense to hopefully help clarify for people if they need it.

Firstly, do you know the definition of "bigot"? Or is that just another term you throw around as an insult like "Nazi" at anyone who disagrees with you? Because it appears you actually fit the definition of bigot while the people you are trying to discredit don't actually fit the definition of any of the insults you are hurling around.

Also "Gamergate" had nothing to do with the free market directly. People merely wanted to have it disclosed whenever there was a personal relationship if a "journalist" was reporting on a game or company. Transparency would actually be a boon for the "free market" as consumers would have more trust in the reporters so your assertation is actually way off again.

The only "parroting" and "lies" seem to be coming from people like you. You've deliberately included half-truths, yes the FBI got involved and interestingly enough found that most of the accounts harrassing where unrelated 3rd party trolls as well even surmising that it was highly likely many of the harrassing accounts were sock puppet accounts in an attempt to add validity to their claims.

Many of the people complaining about the "harrassment" included anything that was legitimately critical and were themselves harrassing people that were daring to stand up to them by doxxing, ddos attacks, personal attacks and death threats. Are you really so blind as to see you are being manipulated? Or perhaps you are one of the manipulators because I really don't see how you could otherwise overlook these inconsistencies otherwise.

I don't understand how you try to link pro consumer activity with being pro right wing politics either because if anything it would be the other way around as it cnsumer protections and transparency should be a right for everybody. But perhaps that is so far left that I've gone all the way to the right...? That's how much sense your logic makes so I think you're projecting on all of us here who are instead trying to civilly discuss our concerns
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amok: edit 2 - and Australia classification policy is most likely a result of its religious history.
The main problem was that Australia used to have no classification for video games above MA15. Anything with 'R18+' like content such as promoting drug use or 'prostitution' or significant violence would run foul of there not being an 'R18+' classification for games.

They are still one of the more conservative classifications even though R18+ for games was introduced a few years ago, but then large segments of the population in Australia are highly conservative- not always overlapping with religious conservatism though.

The wikipedia write up of the ACB has a decent overview.
Here is a video of an interview with David Leyonhjelm, an Australian politic that is trying to loosen the whole bann laws on gaming and movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAbNq-UTwBE
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amok: where is the censorship and banning?
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LootHunter: Everywhere! Just google "games censored by sjws" and you will get a bunch of games (japaneese mostly) that were censored for "sexualization of women" or were not released in the eastern market at all. And before you say that all those are just unfounded alt-right insinuations, here is a link to the interview directly from developer:
That's not what I asked. I asked for any of the so-called "SJW's" advocating censorship. Doing a search like this, will only get hits where they are being blamed for it (usually as a faceless group...) . You do see the difference?

Again, this is not evidence for anything, no groups or people are being blamed here. For example the ultraconservative bible belt in the US has very strong views on representations of women, and often calls for censorship and bans.... not sure you would call them SJW's... And as Phasmid points out in post 734, Australia's classification system is likely due to a large conservative population.

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amok: do not mean that all games must have it. they are critical of lack of diversity, yes, and wants more, but that does not mean that all games must have. I have not seen a single person saying so.
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LootHunter: Yes, it is very convenient position "We don't want all games to have diversity, we are just critisizing every game that doesn't meet our diversity standards."
Which is their right. And once again - criticism is not the same as advocating censorship or bans.
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amok: I asked for any of the so-called "SJW's" advocating censorship. Doing a search like this, will only get hits where they are being blamed for it (usually as a faceless group...) . You do see the difference?
The difference is only semantics. Of course, you are not demanding: "More censorship!", you are just demanding "Remove this too sexy outfit from that game and cut some other sexualized content from another game, because that is sexualization of women". The result, however, is the same - games are censored (either by publisher, or by some governmental "board").

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amok: Again, this is not evidence for anything, no groups or people are being blamed here. For example the ultraconservative bible belt in the US has very strong views on representations of women, and often calls for censorship and bans....
So now it is you, who is blaming ultraconservatives (also faceless group btw), despite the reason for censorship is specifically called "sexualization of women" - which is a clear "progressive" terminology.

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LootHunter: Yes, it is very convenient position "We don't want all games to have diversity, we are just critisizing every game that doesn't meet our diversity standards."
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amok: Which is their right. And once again - criticism is not the same as advocating censorship or bans.
Just like there is the right to critisize games for "forced diversity". And yet those, who excersise that right are called nazi and the like.
Post edited July 27, 2018 by LootHunter
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amok: I asked for any of the so-called "SJW's" advocating censorship. Doing a search like this, will only get hits where they are being blamed for it (usually as a faceless group...) . You do see the difference?
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LootHunter: The difference is only semantics. Of course, you are not demanding: "More censorship!", you are just demanding "Remove this too sexy outfit from that game and cut some other sexualized content from another game, because that is sexualization of women". The result, however, is the same - games are censored (either by publisher, or by some governmental "board").
No it is not. You are bringing accusations, and I ask for proof. The difference is that one of them are based on facts, and the other on conspiracy theories. I do not know what you prefer, but if I have a choise I would go for the former.

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amok: Again, this is not evidence for anything, no groups or people are being blamed here. For example the ultraconservative bible belt in the US has very strong views on representations of women, and often calls for censorship and bans....
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LootHunter: So now it is you, who is blaming ultraconservatives (also faceless group btw), despite the reason for censorship is specifically called "sexualization of women" - which is a clear "progressive" terminology.
No I do not blame anyone. I am telling you that this is much more complex than just "SJW's did it!!!!!" - especially as you have no evidence to your case.

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amok: Which is their right. And once again - criticism is not the same as advocating censorship or bans.
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LootHunter: Just like there is the right to critisize games for "forced diversity". And yet those, who excersise that right are called nazi and the like.
name calling happens on both sides, and are just a phenomenon of interwebs. still nothing to do with censorship and banns,
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amok: You are bringing accusations, and I ask for proof. The difference is that one of them are based on facts, and the other on conspiracy theories. I do not know what you prefer, but if I have a choise I would go for the former.

you have no evidence to your case.
Ok. What you will take as a proof? If you dismiss developers, who are forced to censor games due to "social jusitce" ideology taking over. If you disregard any connection between game bans and critisism from the left as conspiracy theories. What IS considered by you a fact?
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amok: You are bringing accusations, and I ask for proof. The difference is that one of them are based on facts, and the other on conspiracy theories. I do not know what you prefer, but if I have a choise I would go for the former.

you have no evidence to your case.
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LootHunter: Ok. What you will take as a proof? If you dismiss developers, who are forced to censor games due to "social jusitce" ideology taking over. If you disregard any connection between game bans and critisism from the left as conspiracy theories. What IS considered by you a fact?
as I have said many times - that some of the so-called SJW's are advocating censorship and bans. I feel I am repeating myself here.
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amok: as I have said many times - that some of the so-called SJW's are advocating censorship and bans. I feel I am repeating myself here.
Like someone saying "I want this image removed/ game banned because <SJW rant>"?
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amok: as I have said many times - that some of the so-called SJW's are advocating censorship and bans. I feel I am repeating myself here.
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LootHunter: Like someone saying "I want this image removed/ game banned because <SJW rant>"?
from a random interweb person? possibly - an any random rant then can be countered by random rants from the other side who want a game band because it contain a gay / female / made-by-a-person-they-dont- like rant.

It must be by some of the famous SJW's.
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LootHunter: Like someone saying "I want this image removed/ game banned because <SJW rant>"?
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amok: It must be by some of the famous SJW's.
Is Rose McGowan famous enough?