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Big_Boss: EDIT:There is also the dual pack for A valley without wind, steam redeemable, for 2.75€
http://www.greenmangaming.com/s/it/en/pc/games/adventure/valley-without-wind-1-and-2-dual-pack/
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Immoli: Went ahead and picked this up seeing as how I had like $15 trade in with them. Didn't even have to pay the $3 after the coupon.

Since people here will mind, the game comes with a key for Steam, but after you redeem it on Steam you can get a key to use with the installer from the main site (offline authentication). You have to use the first game's key to unlock the sequel/remake. Kinda weird that the key that came with the Steam version of valley 2 didn't work.

Also, according to http://isthereanydeal.com/# that 20% off voucher should be lasting a bit longer.
So the key for the first game is Steam redeemable and the one for the sequel isn't?Weird :l
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StingingVelvet: I have a weird urge to own Borderlands 2 despite hating the original, but I don't want to pay real money for it.
It's the wickedly awesome trailers....isn't it? ;)

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u2jedi: Probably your tone
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And now back to the gaming deals!
Bah, it's not 100% my fault if people mistake the tone behind my posts. 0.o

I usually(when replying/rating posts) try to think what the poster's original intentions were/are when posting something before assuming ill will or rating them down. I wish more did the same, but what can ya do? *takes sip of fine cognac*
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This...also nice avatar you have there, if I may say so. :)
Post edited March 28, 2013 by GameRager
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AFnord: Shame you get all that cheat DLC. The Red Envelope, High Roller, Top Dog Silver & Gold are all "cheat" DLCs, all they do is give you more resources, without adding any content to the game. If those are separate steam keys, then sure, that is no problem (worth checking so that you actually save anything from buying the collection though), but if they are not, they might end up actively detracting from the gameplay experience.
You know you can buy it and just not use it until you feel it is ok while playing, right? ;)
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AFnord: Shame you get all that cheat DLC. The Red Envelope, High Roller, Top Dog Silver & Gold are all "cheat" DLCs, all they do is give you more resources, without adding any content to the game. If those are separate steam keys, then sure, that is no problem (worth checking so that you actually save anything from buying the collection though), but if they are not, they might end up actively detracting from the gameplay experience.
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GameRager: You know you can buy it and just not use it until you feel it is ok while playing, right? ;)
So I need to keep track of how much of my experience/money I can/can not use at any given time? That is a pain.
Post edited March 28, 2013 by AFnord
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nijuu: so? its been discounted on every other site to around that price range.as ppl say square Enix games tend to drop in price quick.like sleeping dogs,, deus ex hr. shame really.wonder why they do that
Sales, man.....sales.

(They get day 1 buyers and then when enough sales have been had at full price they have massive sales to get all the customers who wait for sales.)

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AFnord: So I need to keep track of how much of my experience/money I can/can not use at any given time? That is a pain.
Why is it such a pain? Heck, people do it with other games already(Pokemon games & the Nuzlocke challenges, limiting one's skills/inventory artificially in various RPGs/etc.).

(Also I was mainly talking about not using overpowering DLC weapons/items/skills while playing, not not using in-game money & the like.)
Post edited March 28, 2013 by GameRager
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Immoli: Went ahead and picked this up seeing as how I had like $15 trade in with them. Didn't even have to pay the $3 after the coupon.

Since people here will mind, the game comes with a key for Steam, but after you redeem it on Steam you can get a key to use with the installer from the main site (offline authentication). You have to use the first game's key to unlock the sequel/remake. Kinda weird that the key that came with the Steam version of valley 2 didn't work.

Also, according to http://isthereanydeal.com/# that 20% off voucher should be lasting a bit longer.
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Big_Boss: So the key for the first game is Steam redeemable and the one for the sequel isn't?Weird :l
Well the one for the first game redeems Valley 2 also.
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nijuu: so? its been discounted on every other site to around that price range.as ppl say square Enix games tend to drop in price quick.like sleeping dogs,, deus ex hr. shame really.wonder why they do that
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GameRager: Sales, man.....sales.

(They get day 1 buyers and then when enough sales have been had at full price they have massive sales to get all the customers who wait for sales.)

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AFnord: So I need to keep track of how much of my experience/money I can/can not use at any given time? That is a pain.
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GameRager: Why is it such a pain? Heck, people do it with other games already(Pokemon games & the Nuzlocke challenges, limiting one's skills/inventory artificially in various RPGs/etc.).

(Also I was mainly talking about not using overpowering DLC weapons/items/skills while playing, not not using in-game money & the like.)
Im not a sales person, but even i can see something wrong with that concept if thats what they are doing. Every game will have an initial rush then level off. Seems to be very silly to spend oodles on product X. Sell at RRP for very short time then discount it left right and centre. Not a good way to do things IMHO especially considering the cost of development and the development cycles.. but then what do i know....
BUT then i guess thats the legacy of Steams silly cutprice sales eh?
Post edited March 28, 2013 by nijuu
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AFnord: So I need to keep track of how much of my experience/money I can/can not use at any given time? That is a pain.
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GameRager: Why is it such a pain? Heck, people do it with other games already(Pokemon games & the Nuzlocke challenges, limiting one's skills/inventory artificially in various RPGs/etc.).

(Also I was mainly talking about not using overpowering DLC weapons/items/skills while playing, not not using in-game money & the like.)
Because while it is simple to not use a certain weapon, keeping in mind that I always need to be 10 000 exp behind (and thus not leveling up when the game tells me that I've leveled up) or keeping track of how many credits I can not use requires me to be more conscious of what I do at all time. it distracts the player from actually playing the game.
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GameRager: You know you can buy it and just not use it until you feel it is ok while playing, right? ;)
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AFnord: So I need to keep track of how much of my experience/money I can/can not use at any given time? That is a pain.
Umm, couldn't you just buy something super expensive and toss it (or you know, drink 1000 health potions in 30 seconds)?
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AFnord: Because while it is simple to not use a certain weapon, keeping in mind that I always need to be 10 000 exp behind (and thus not leveling up when the game tells me that I've leveled up) or keeping track of how many credits I can not use requires me to be more conscious of what I do at all time. it distracts the player from actually playing the game.
I think you're making a bit of an overstatement here.

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AFnord: So I need to keep track of how much of my experience/money I can/can not use at any given time? That is a pain.
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orcishgamer: Umm, couldn't you just buy something super expensive and toss it (or you know, drink 1000 health potions in 30 seconds)?
This would work as well. Heck, he could even just toss some creds/money on the ground and leave it there(If the game allows it.).
Post edited March 28, 2013 by GameRager
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GameRager: This would work as well. Heck, he could even just toss some creds/money on the ground and leave it there(If the game allows it.).
The game does not let you drop money and that would not work (unless you want to buy three thousand energy drinks and watch Wei do the drinking animation every time, which sounds like a horrid way to spend an hour). And I don't think it's an overstatement at all. It would be extremely intrusive to try to play around the cheats (coming from someone who's played and beaten the game).

The best you could do is buy a bunch of cars and just never drive them, but it would be infinitely easier to just not buy or uninstall the DLC. Plus that still doesn't solve the XP problem.
Post edited March 28, 2013 by PenutBrittle
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nijuu: I'm not a sales person, but even i can see something wrong with that concept if thats what they are doing.
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Every game will have an initial rush then level off.
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Seems to be very silly to spend oodles on product X.
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Sell at RRP for very short time then discount it left right and centre. Not a good way to do things IMHO especially considering the cost of development and the development cycles.. but then what do i know....
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BUT then i guess that's the legacy of Steams silly cutprice sales eh?
It seems to work fine for most devs/sellers, at any rate.
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Isn't that the case, though, for many games? (In that they get a good number of sales day 1 and then that number drops afterwards until either a sales pops up or some new expansion is released.)
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There will always be those who feel like spending massive amounts of cash on day 1 buys(To support the devs/makers, to get something before others get it, etc.).
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They make money off of it in most cases so there must be some merit to the method.
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Imo it's more a legacy of sound business strategies. ;)
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GameRager: Imo it's more a legacy of sound business strategies. ;)
Except Square-Enix posted a pretty big loss, none of their games hit their sales targets and the CEO is stepping down. Doesn't sound particularly sound to me.
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PenutBrittle: The game does not let you drop money and that would not work (unless you want to buy three thousand energy drinks and watch Wei do the drinking animation every time, which sounds like a horrid way to spend an hour).
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And I don't think it's an overstatement at all.
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It would be extremely intrusive to try to play around the cheats (coming from someone who's played and beaten the game).
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The best you could do is buy a bunch of cars and just never drive them, but it would be infinitely easier to just not buy or uninstall the DLC.
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Plus that still doesn't solve the XP problem.
Well that sucks....can't you buy a weapon/etc and drop that, then? (Or as I said just ignore you have all that money and simply hold back on spending.....you could even build it into the immersion by calling the main character a frugal spender or some such.)
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Opinions, man......we all have em'.
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They're not cheats(imo)....they're gameplay advantages. Cheats(imo) are using codes/cracks/etc to gain an advantage the game/dev doesn't normally allow you to have, not using DLC which adds items/exp/cash/etc.
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Then why do some buy the DLC without looking into reviews/etc and then complain that it ruins the game for them?
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What XP problem?


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GameRager: Imo it's more a legacy of sound business strategies. ;)
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PenutBrittle: Except Square-Enix posted a pretty big loss, none of their games hit their sales targets and the CEO is stepping down. Doesn't sound particularly sound to me.
Just because it didn't work for them that doesn't mean the strategy isn't sound or that that's the only reason SQ-Enix is losing money.
Post edited March 28, 2013 by GameRager
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nijuu: Im not a sales person...
And this is where we can all stop speculating. FWIW, I'm not either, but I have learned over the years that what actually works is counter intuitive more often than not, so just give up trying to understand it at all, it's really not worth it.

To be clear, this is not a rant or a put down, just pointing out that normal people (myself included) seem to be perpetually horribly wrong on this stuff, because it just doesn't work like people expect. Salemanship and advertising frequently work off our "glitches". Human beings are just really fucking bad at making some choices or avoiding manipulation at particular times.
Post edited March 28, 2013 by orcishgamer