I bought Bulletstorm on GG and it worked flawlessly.

I don't think you're being very objective here.

I preferred Civ 4 too, though my favourite Civ game is still 2, but Civ 5 is still a good game in its own right despite problems.
It achieves exactly what it wanted to do, that is provide a good, easily accessible, turn-based strategy game. Of course such an approach is bound to annoy hardcore fans of previous Civ games, but let's face it; you weren't the target audience for Civ 5 anyway.

And saying the the people on the Civfanatics forums represent a large number of the people who played Civ 5 is like saying the people at NMA are a large part of the Fallout 3 fanbase.
People who post on fansites' forums are mostly hardcore fans, and hardore fans, like it or not, are always a small part of the audience of any mainstream media. Most of the people I know who played Civ 5 liked it, although many, like me, feel it's a bit too simple.


You're also being dishonest about what the game is. It's not just a wargame, and war is defiinitely not the only way to win, although it's the easiest because as usual with Civ games the war A.I. is bad.
War has always been the easiest way to win in Civ games, even in Civ 4. It's more true in Civ 5 than most, but I've still won games without ever being at war. It's NEVER been the only strategy available to players, whether in Civ 2 or in Civ 5.

And neither has Civilization ever been about alternate history. Thinking it is mean you don't know what alternate history is. You should go play Europa Universalis or other Paradox games and see what I mean.

I also have to agree with Psyringe here. Civ 5 might be a good game, but if you loved the series, it will fall horribly flat. I've played all the Civ games (inculding the Call to Power and Alpha Centauri games) with great fun and easily put hundreds of hours in them. And I bought Civ 5 without much thinking hoping for even more enjoyment. And I acutally liked the inclusion of Steam and the Steam achievements. But boy, I was in for a bad surprise ...


If you are new to the series, it might be a good game, but if you like the old ones, Civ 5 just feels like playing a demo.

Well ... feel free to disagree with me, but please don't hide it behind underhanded statements about "objectivity". We're talking about opinions here, not about science. With regard to these opinions, imho I did give a fair assessment.

That is your opinion. It's also the expectation with which I approached the game. Unfortunately it did not only fail to meet these (comparably low) expectations, it ended up suffering from tons of inherent, possibly unsolvable design problems (of which I named a few).

Ahem. Now I'm not only "not objective", I'm also "dishonest". And a few lines later you tell me that I have no idea what "alternate history" is and tell me to play games which I know quite well to "learn" it.

Honestly, if that's the level of discussion you prefer, then I'm quite happy to leave you with your opinion and close the matter right here, it's off-topic in this thread anyway. The fact that you focused on personal attacks against me instead of telling the poster more about the _good_ sides you see in the game speaks volumes already. Next time, please try to _help_ the person who asked a question instead of attacking people for having a different opinion than you, okay?

off topic

I have to repurchase these :(

Medieval II: Total War
Medieval II: Total War Kingdoms
BioShock
X-Com: UFO Defense
X-Com: Terror From the Deep
X-Com: Apocalypse
X-Com: Interceptor
X-Com: Enforcer
Caesar IV
The Guild 2
The Guild 2: Pirates of the European Seas
Rome - Total War - Gold Edition

The X-com games are currently super cheap over at Gamer's gate.

Repurchase why?

That has been often going on over 80% sales lately.

http://www.getgamesgo.com/product/red-orchestra-2-heroes-of-stalingrad $11.99

A farewell to Dragons $2, they even let me pay for it :D

Getgamesgo.com.. Never heard of that site. Seems that they do have couple of good deals and couple mediocre. Even shows prices in euro. So if I would think about buying in there, well is it a trustworthy? =) Also, those cheap as chips.. those are christmas-thing, daily or what?

Edit: and of course 1 dollar converts to 1 euro?

GetGamesGo is totally legit. I don't remember whose shop this is but IIRC it was made by some guys from a well-known games magazine or something.

Nonetheless, I bought a few games from them and have no complaints.

eurogamer site started the getgamesgo site. Both legit. Though I have only bought steam games from them, they are fine.

The cheap as chips is, I guess you could say it a Christmas thing.

this is half the price of what steam are offering it for in todays daily deals, how do you get the key/s to register this on steam(no mention of 3rd party software being needed)? i.e. a single key or 1 key for each game?

I was tempted to get this in one of the previous steam sales but didn't as I'd spent quite a bit on other games, have plenty of unplayed games in my library(not just on steam :) )

If anyone wants a KF guest pass to do the achievement today, let me know. I've got one.

I would, but I'm going to be gone for most of the day. If no one utilizes it by the time I'm back, I'll try it. Thanks!