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ExiL0n: ...
If you want to express empathy, there are 26 buttons on your keyboard, called "letters", that will do much better than any emoticon, if you press them in the proper order.
If you have no time to find out the order, it's probably not so important to leave any kind of message - why show an empathy you do not really feel?
I guess it works in personal messages when only 4 or 5 people post a comment but in international messages where more then ten thousand people post a comment, you want to see how many people actually liked the topic. You cant go through all these 10K messages and count how many of them are positive and how many of them are negative reviews.
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darthspudius: People lost their username? Can't say I noticed.
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Darvond: You were basically nagged to convert over to a G+ account.
oh is that all. Is that what everyone kept complaining about? Instead of just doing it and ignoring it, they left it to nag them every day?
When Youtube went to Google+, I could neither login nor delete my account anymore. I was completely shut out.
Years later after all else failed, I seriously had to register a bogus Google+ account in order to be able to delete my ancient Youtube account and then delete this G+ stuff as well. Seriously: Wtf?

Are people really content with such methods that they willingly let themselves be forced to all this new media control bullshit? More or less nobody seems to care.
Post edited September 18, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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vicklemos: Boy, I'll say I got stunned the day I saw every damn person (old and new so there's no age "limit") taking pictures of food with their phones on the mall. I was all like "dafuq" deep inside, since it was so new to me.
I take pictures of my food. Food is pretty, stock photos are expensive, and so are cafes.
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dtgreene: If you expect prospective employees to have Facebook accounts, you are discriminating against people whose real names and legal names don't match. Also, why should somebody's out of work activities have any bearing on whether the person is qualified for the job?
Also too, demanding that prospective employees enter a contract and reveal the details of their private lives to a third-party corporation is insane; said corporation being discriminatory is just icing on a shit cake.
Post edited September 18, 2015 by Starmaker
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Shadowstalker16: I hate how every time someone links it, the website asks you to sign up without showing you the contents of the link.
Many Russian publicists use facebook and link to facebook from elsewhere. I have never been asked to sign up when I read their posts. I have both facebook.com and fbcdn.net scripts blocked.

The Russian ripoff vk.com, however, shows the page normally for a split-second, then redirects to a dummy "no javascript, get a new browser" page. I haven't found a solution other than to try to click "stop loading" within the split-second.
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Starmaker: I take pictures of my food. Food is pretty, stock photos are expensive, and so are cafes.
Dafuq?! :D
I'm kiddin'. People are free to do whatever they want. I'll just stay here complaining a little, that's all :P
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Starmaker: I take pictures of my food. Food is pretty, stock photos are expensive, and so are cafes.
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vicklemos: Dafuq?! :D
I'm kiddin'. People are free to do whatever they want. I'll just stay here complaining a little, that's all :P
First, the idea of decorative pictures of food isn't exactly modern. I take pictures for this very reason: uneaten food can be pretty. (Eaten food is pretty much synonymous with aesthetical deficiency.) I don't post them on facebook, however (I don't have an account), but I understand people who do.

As a weird commie political activist, I make deliberate effort to try to understand people's behavior, point out evidence-based evil and argue for policy changes on the basis of that. Sure, facebook as a corporation is evil. However, as long as saying "I went to a cafe and had a cupcake" is acceptable, it should also be acceptable to transmit the message electronically and supply a picture of said cupcake. I hate small talk. I invented a whole new jabberwocky-style slang to make small talk in when people force me to. But prejudice against specifically electronic small talk is just prejudice, which shouldn't be comingled with legitimate concerns about facebook corporate evil. It's evil because it steals, sells, and holds hostage people's private data, not because people talk about cupcakes.
Post edited September 18, 2015 by Starmaker
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sasuke12: Are you kidding ? Facebook is very helpful for screening out people who would be retarded or downright terrible employees.

If I am a boss, I would definitely look at facebook and make sure I am not hiring some idiot who takes a million selfies of herself per week and dresses up like a hooker.

Plus, if you live in western world, then Facebook is also very good for dating. Social Networking sites help you find out which women are relationship material and which of them are morally bankrupt sluts.
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dtgreene: If you expect prospective employees to have Facebook accounts, you are discriminating against people whose real names and legal names don't match. Also, why should somebody's out of work activities have any bearing on whether the person is qualified for the job?
2 different issues here.

1. I think this happened to me. I had 5 interviews with a company. HR, Head of HR, Managers, Managers and Staff, and Technical. As far as I can tell, I passed them all with flying colors. Then they Called me and told me they were going to look for someone else. Not that they were choosing someone else... but they had to keep looking. I'm very hard on myself and even I know I was extremely qualified for that job. The only thing I can think of is that when they asked for me for my Facebook page, I didn't have one. And the way they responded, I don't think they believed me. I do now... but I didn't then. Its hard to prove you don't have a facebook page :(

2. Social media is now considered public displays of opinion. You get associated with the company you work for. They need to know, are you the type of employee that will share all of the companies dirty laundry to the public. What is your temperament when you disagree with something? Do you share in the far left or right agenda? Just this week someone was fired/forced to retire for sharing their views on a political issue. People in social media put pressure on companies and many companies don't have the backbone or bandwidth to stand behind every possible angle of every possible issue that hits someones 'I'm offended' button.

Maybe you were asking rhetorically, but the second issue isn't going anywhere. It's far more common than not to inspect FB pages before making a hiring decision. Some companies even make you sit down and log in so they can see your non-public stuff too (that one I find too extreme). But then you have to choose, would I rather eat and have clothes/shelter, or stand up for my principles and turn down the job? Depends on the job market, I guess, on how picky you get to be. If I already had a job and was just "shopping", I would walk away from a company that expected me to log in, the public profile is enough... but not all of us get to have that luxury.

Bottom line, if you are a career minded person, I'd think very hard before commenting about politics and your employer on social media. If that just isn't you, try the positive approach. Instead of bashing the opposing view, build up your view instead.
Post edited September 18, 2015 by user deleted
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hucklebarry: I think this happened to me. I had 5 interviews with a company. HR, Head of HR, Managers, Managers and Staff, and Technical. As far as I can tell, I passed them all with flying colors. Then they Called me and told me they were going to look for someone else. Not that they were choosing someone else... but they had to keep looking. I'm very hard on myself and even I know I was extremely qualified for that job. The only thing I can think of is that when they asked for me for my Facebook page, I didn't have one. And the way they responded, I don't think they believed me. I do now... but I didn't then. Its hard to prove you don't have a facebook page :(
This is messed up!

At least people usually believe me, that I don't have a Facebook account, or a TV set or whatever is considered "obligatory" today since I'm not looking normal anyway but I guess most people that don't have those things are considered to be liars since lying is so common in this culture and although my honesty is seen as a severe flaw, lying is too.

An apprenticeship was denied to me because of my "severely handicapped pass" though.
They wanted to have me since I passed all tests perfectly without any sweat and said, that I could begin immediately in principle BUT then asked, what this is about.
It is legally required from me in this country to tell them about the pass and my mutation although it doesn't have a real impact on the job and I'm pretty sure that it was the reason why they took someone else.
The really mean thing about this is, that I've only obtained the pass for another apprenticeship before that didn't want me anymore since getting the pass took too long although I managed to get it in 2-3 Months although it usually takes a year. -.-°
This wasn't as bad as the seven times a job was denied to me because I am male though.

All of this is discrimination and illegal in Germany of course but nobody cares, isn't the Facebook thing illegal in the USA too?
I thought, that nobody is allowed to take religion, sex, sexual orientation, origin, political views, etc... into account when it comes to jobs?
Post edited September 18, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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Starmaker: First, the idea of decorative pictures of food isn't exactly modern.
Yup, people depicting their food is quite old! :D

Serious now, Starmaker: good point you showed. Maybe I should be a little less harsh. Probably what bothers me the most is this "glorification of the mundane" out there, widespread to huge levels, while we're at the same time lacking more commitment to each other. But hey, that's just me!
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Starmaker: First, the idea of decorative pictures of food isn't exactly modern.
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vicklemos: Yup, people depicting their food is quite old! :D

Serious now, Starmaker: good point you showed. Maybe I should be a little less harsh. Probably what bothers me the most is this "glorification of the mundane" out there, widespread to huge levels, while we're at the same time lacking more commitment to each other. But hey, that's just me!
Not just you, man.

Call me an old-fashioned hippie if you like, but every second spent on mundane pseudo social interaction (which includes offline smalltalk too imho), could be used to learn more about your fellow humans individual personalities and in the end about friendship and love. I like commitments. If you can't find proper individuals, you could use the time for intensifying cool hobbies (again with real commitment) too of course.
Post edited September 18, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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vicklemos: Yup, people depicting their food is quite old! :D

Serious now, Starmaker: good point you showed. Maybe I should be a little less harsh. Probably what bothers me the most is this "glorification of the mundane" out there, widespread to huge levels, while we're at the same time lacking more commitment to each other. But hey, that's just me!
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Klumpen0815: Not just you, man.

Call me an old-fashioned hippie if you like, but every second spent on mundane pseudo social interaction (which includes offline smalltalk too imho), could be used to learn more about your fellow humans individual personalities and in the end about friendship and love. I like commitments. If you can't find proper individuals, you could use the time for intensifying cool hobbies (again with real commitment) too of course.
My thoughts exactly, dude. It's not that I'm crazy about meeting new people and eager to know about their daily lives, no siree. I just wanna maintain a steady as she goes dialogue, and be freely able to discuss whatever comes to table.
I too like commitment and the nature that revolves around it; that's, according to the vicklemos census of close people, a virtue that lacks among the huge majority of folks I know. That's gotta be negative in a short term, I believe. Also, change is what challenges people the most, and that's why it's so hard to, uh, change!
Right, Spock? :P
Post edited September 18, 2015 by vicklemos
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Klumpen0815: All of this is discrimination and illegal in Germany of course but nobody cares, isn't the Facebook thing illegal in the USA too?
I thought, that nobody is allowed to take religion, sex, sexual orientation, origin, political views, etc... into account when it comes to jobs?
Yes, but I would have to prove beyond any doubt that THAT is the reason they didn't hire me. The only way I could really do that is if they put it in writing, which they didn't do. It's my speculation against their word. All I have to go on is how the lady reacted when she asked for my page and I told her I didn't have one. She asked it a different way like I didn't understand, then she made a face and wrote something down. specifically speaking to facebook, an employer might feel like you have no social media (credit) and are therefore at risk for when you decide to take that path. Just like you can't get a loan unless you have proven to handle other debt well. I can see an issue if I told them, I have no email address, or phone number. How would they contact me? I've seen friends lose jobs because they didn't disclose that they didn't have reliable transportation. All that to say, some employers may see social media as one those things everyone has or needs. I'm not sure if its discrimination as much as a lack of education on their part. I don't think they were saying, "you MUST use FB!". I think they were thinking, "This guy is lying, who doesn't have FB?".

The state I live in is called an EMPLOYMENT-AT-WILL state. They don't have to give a reason for firing you (or not hiring). This means you have to provide real evidence (internal emails, recorded phone calls, proof that you were singled out, etc) which is very hard to obtain by legal means. So every companies policy is simple... don't document a reason for firing and we can't get into trouble. (for the most part... again, getting proof is very hard when they don't give it to you freely, and legally, they don't have to). The edge cases I have heard of revolve around someone being able to prove that everyone else was treated differently and therefore they could link their hiring/firing around something that could be determined as discrimination... but yet again, that is very hard to pull off and usually has to be blatant with some length of repetition to be able to clearly define.

This is why you have third parties running around trying to find discrimination where it doesn't exist, which is a shame because it hurts people like yourself who really need someone on your side.
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Klumpen0815: I thought, that nobody is allowed to take religion, sex, sexual orientation, origin, political views, etc... into account when it comes to jobs?
It is (well, sort of -- sexual orientation is still unprotected in a number of states and a number of "etc" are unprotected fullstop), but try suing a corporation when you don't have a job. And you can't really disprove lack of qualifications as a defense with a sample size of one. What researchers do is mass-send out near-identical CVs with critical differences, such as characteristically black names or same-gender partners. (But, obviously, they can't sue for systemic discrimination on behalf of fake CVs.)
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darthspudius: oh is that all. Is that what everyone kept complaining about? Instead of just doing it and ignoring it, they left it to nag them every day?
Yep! Among other issues.