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doctorsinister: If one thing that Gamergate has taught me is to NEVER trust professional critics.

They are most likely getting paid to generate hype and give good reviews or exchanging sex for good reviews like Zoe Quinn did.

I will wait for independent reviewers on youtube and then decide if this movie is worth my money or not.
You do realize that every allegation against Zoe Quinn was completely debunked, right?
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Gilozard: You do realize that every allegation against Zoe Quinn was completely debunked, right?
Well, now this thread is certainly going to go down faster than War Machine...
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darthspudius: How dare people enjoy movies. Shocking.
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Breja: Enjoy *bad* movies. Marvel's movies are vastly overrated, especialy their output after the first Avengers movies has been mostly just terrible. So when people keep praising it to high heavens... yeah, it annoys me. I care about movies, I love cinema, so seeing such bland and often outright bad movies put on a pedestal hurts me a little. And I like some of their movies. Which is maybe why it annoys me even more, because it looks like it doesn't really matter if they make a good movie or a bad one. The result seems to be exactly the same. People seem to react to the Marvel logo like mindless automatons.
Most people don't see many movies, so things that interest them aren't going to interest a person who makes a hobby of watching movies. It's not worth getting upset about. They probably have a hobby that they're deeply into and complain about people who can't understand 'why Toyota cars are so boring and overrated', etc.

I read and analyze a ton of books. Most people don't. I don't like most mass-produced stuff because it's the same old stuff I've read a hundred times before, but most people don't even read a hundred books in a year so it's new and interesting to them. It's just a function of interest and exposure.

Also - the camera in Winter Soldier was pretty interesting. They didn't push the envelope a lot but they did do some new stuff, and the choreography was great.

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Gilozard: You do realize that every allegation against Zoe Quinn was completely debunked, right?
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rampancy: Well, now this thread is certainly going to go down faster than War Machine...
If someone's going to hold an opinion based on stuff I know is wrong, I'll correct them. Except for religion - not worth opening that can of worms on the internet.
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Elmofongo: Whatever humor those 2 movies had at least it was not as corny and cringeworthy as Guardians of the Galaxy.
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rampancy: The thing was, I personally loved the humor in Guardians of the Galaxy. It was a fun, off-kilter movie that wasn't afraid to not take itself too seriously. The humor added a lot to the charm. For me personally, if the alternative is a dour, utterly humorless, depressing movie like Batman v. Superman, I'll take Guardians of the Galaxy any day. But I'm cool with people finding it cheap and corny. Different strokes and all that.
Eh. I prefer the middle ground - less ridiculous than GotG, but more coherent and fun than BvS. Winter Soldier was pretty balanced.
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Gilozard: Most people don't see many movies, so things that interest them aren't going to interest a person who makes a hobby of watching movies. It's not worth getting upset about. They probably have a hobby that they're deeply into and complain about people who can't understand 'why Toyota cars are so boring and overrated', etc.

I read and analyze a ton of books. Most people don't. I don't like most mass-produced stuff because it's the same old stuff I've read a hundred times before, but most people don't even read a hundred books in a year so it's new and interesting to them. It's just a function of interest and exposure.
The problem is when people take their opinions and lord it over others, as if someone has magically appointed them and them alone as the supreme arbiter of fine taste in movies, games, books, or any other media, and other people are somehow beneath them for liking things they don't like. I'm fine with dissenting opinions, but engaging in excessively negative extremism can be just as bad as being uncritically praiseful of something too.

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Gilozard: If someone's going to hold an opinion based on stuff I know is wrong, I'll correct them. Except for religion - not worth opening that can of worms on the internet.
It's just that I'm honestly sick and tired of the back and forth about #GamerGate.
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Breja: Enjoy *bad* movies. Marvel's movies are vastly overrated, especialy their output after the first Avengers movies has been mostly just terrible. So when people keep praising it to high heavens... yeah, it annoys me. I care about movies, I love cinema, so seeing such bland and often outright bad movies put on a pedestal hurts me a little. And I like some of their movies. Which is maybe why it annoys me even more, because it looks like it doesn't really matter if they make a good movie or a bad one. The result seems to be exactly the same. People seem to react to the Marvel logo like mindless automatons.
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Gilozard: Most people don't see many movies, so things that interest them aren't going to interest a person who makes a hobby of watching movies. It's not worth getting upset about.
Well, it's sort of the price to pay for having such a hobby, and the joys it brings you, that you experience so much more strongly than the casual audience. You can't only experience the positive. Or at least I can't :D I can only try to contain myself, like did a few minutes ago when stopped myself from writing a reply to Rampancy about his comparison of GotG and BvS :)

Also, there is at least one "legitimate" reason to get upset about it, a least sometimes. The success of a crappy movie can influence other movies, and while I could just ignore Guardians of the Galaxy being crap, the fact that the studio wants the new Star Trek movie to be more like it- now that's hard to ignore when you love Trek. It's why I cheer for the movies I like to do well in the Box Office. The movie is what it is regardless of how much it makes, but I want another Mad Max, I want a solo Affleck Batman movie (at least that I'm getting) and don't want to see good actors wasting their time on Transformers.

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Gilozard: Also - the camera in Winter Soldier was pretty interesting. They didn't push the envelope a lot but they did do some new stuff, and the choreography was great.
True, the fights were some of the best in the MCU. Batman's scenes in BvS though are probably now the best fight scenes of the superhero genre.

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Gilozard: Eh. I prefer the middle ground - less ridiculous than GotG, but more coherent and fun than BvS. Winter Soldier was pretty balanced.
I like BvS best of those, but that's not really about the tone. I don't even prefer any "tone" in general, although I like it when a movie isn't afraid of being serious and moody. What I really hate about GotG isn't just that it's ridiculous, but that it's so inconsistant about it. Every time it tries to have an emotional moment, it immediately has to break the mood with a bad joke, as if it's afraid of loosing tha audience by being serious for five minutes. That kills all the tention, my investment in the characters, everything.

Deadpool, for example, manages to keep the same tone all the time, even when having emotianl moments. There is never this awkward moment of abruptly changing gears. And BvS- some poeple may not like how serious it is, but that does not mean it fails to be funny. It just doesn't try to be funny. Some people may not like it, but theres a difference between that, and the movie not being good. For example for me The Road was just to depressing to watch, but I don't think it makes it a bad movie. I in fact think it's a testament to it's success at being what it was supposed to be.
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Gilozard: Most people don't see many movies, so things that interest them aren't going to interest a person who makes a hobby of watching movies. It's not worth getting upset about. They probably have a hobby that they're deeply into and complain about people who can't understand 'why Toyota cars are so boring and overrated', etc.

I read and analyze a ton of books. Most people don't. I don't like most mass-produced stuff because it's the same old stuff I've read a hundred times before, but most people don't even read a hundred books in a year so it's new and interesting to them. It's just a function of interest and exposure.
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rampancy: The problem is when people take their opinions and lord it over others, as if someone has magically appointed them and them alone as the supreme arbiter of fine taste in movies, games, books, or any other media, and other people are somehow beneath them for liking things they don't like. I'm fine with dissenting opinions, but engaging in excessively negative extremism can be just as bad as being uncritically praiseful of something too.

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Gilozard: If someone's going to hold an opinion based on stuff I know is wrong, I'll correct them. Except for religion - not worth opening that can of worms on the internet.
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rampancy: It's just that I'm honestly sick and tired of the back and forth about #GamerGate.
Yeah, I hate snobs too. Great, you don't like #PopularThing. Stop hating on everyone who does enjoy it. No one is making you like it, stop trying to make other people like whatever you prefer.

Re: GG
Oh, everyone's sick of this kind of thing. There are a lot of people who are sick of having angry jerks spewing misogynist and racist insults messing up their hobby. Especially the people for whom this has been their life, who can't get away from it because they're a minority and people make assumptions about them based on media stereotypes. Or because they're a woman and get told 'girls can't play games', get turned into secretaries regardless of their actual degrees, get catcalled when they're just trying to walk down the street. Or because..You get the picture.

Everyone is sick of isms and stereotyping, most especially the people who suffer because of them. That's why they won't shut up - they want this stuff to stop happening. If you're sick of it, good, do something about the root problem.
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Gilozard: Yeah, I hate snobs too. Great, you don't like #PopularThing. Stop hating on everyone who does enjoy it. No one is making you like it, stop trying to make other people like whatever you prefer.

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Oh, everyone's sick of this kind of thing. There are a lot of people who are sick of having angry jerks spewing misogynist and racist insults messing up their hobby. Especially the people for whom this has been their life, who can't get away from it because they're a minority and people make assumptions about them based on media stereotypes. Or because they're a woman and get told 'girls can't play games', get turned into secretaries regardless of their actual degrees, get catcalled when they're just trying to walk down the street. Or because..You get the picture.

Everyone is sick of isms and stereotyping, most especially the people who suffer because of them. That's why they won't shut up - they want this stuff to stop happening. If you're sick of it, good, do something about the root problem.
Maybe you should quit derailing threads to promote your misguided views of events. This thread is about the new Captain America movie. I visited this thread to see what other people think about itbefore going to see it myself this weekend. This thread is NOT about your SJW bs.
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Breja: Or at least I can't :D I can only try to contain myself, like did a few minutes ago when stopped myself from writing a reply to Rampancy about his comparison of GotG and BvS :)
Honestly, I'm actually flattered that you'd see fit to write a reply to one of my posts. :)

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Gilozard: Yeah, I hate snobs too. Great, you don't like #PopularThing. Stop hating on everyone who does enjoy it. No one is making you like it, stop trying to make other people like whatever you prefer.
Pretty much that. There's enough entertainment out there for everyone to enjoy. I feel more and more that I'd much rather spend my time and energy enjoying the games and movies/books/etc. that I enjoy, rather than arguing back and forth on the Internet about whose opinion over media is more superior...which is pretty much what I'm doing right now anyway, so...yeah. ;)
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Breja: Or at least I can't :D I can only try to contain myself, like did a few minutes ago when stopped myself from writing a reply to Rampancy about his comparison of GotG and BvS :)
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rampancy: Honestly, I'm actually flattered that you'd see fit to write a reply to one of my posts. :)
I was halfway through a rant when I realised that I'm ranting at someone who ended his post with "I'm cool with people finding it cheap and corny. Different strokes and all that" and I realised I'm letting my angry nerd side take over :D
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rampancy: Honestly, I'm actually flattered that you'd see fit to write a reply to one of my posts. :)
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Breja: I was halfway through a rant when I realised that I'm ranting at someone who ended his post with "I'm cool with people finding it cheap and corny. Different strokes and all that" and I realised I'm letting my angry nerd side take over :D
From someone with his own angry nerd side to another, you definitely get a +1 from me, good sir. :)
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doctorsinister: If one thing that Gamergate has taught me is to NEVER trust professional critics.

They are most likely getting paid to generate hype and give good reviews or exchanging sex for good reviews like Zoe Quinn did.

I will wait for independent reviewers on youtube and then decide if this movie is worth my money or not.
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Gilozard: You do realize that every allegation against Zoe Quinn was completely debunked, right?
Nope never happened. She just tried to use a legal order to block and censor all the evidence of her cheating and sleeping with video game reviewers to get good reviews for her game.
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doctorsinister: ...
Here's an idea- how about you go and discuss it in the fucking GamerGate thread?
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DaCostaBR: I watched it today and I'm happy to say the movie is pretty great!
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rampancy: Now I'm waiting for everyone to start flaming you by shouting "You have a Marvel bias!". :P
Ha! I hope not, I actually gave BvS a positive review. Well, a passing grade at least, a solid 6/10.

Now what I'm curious about is people's stance on the Russo brothers directing Avengers Infinity War 1 and 2.

I'm actually glad, I was a bit sick of Whedon to be honest. He has a problem with character voices, everyone sounds exactly the same, nothing but zingers and quips. That's fine for Tony Stark, but not when it seeps into other characters like Captain America in Age of Ultron. In this one you still had your quips every now and then, but every character felt distinct, and they knew that some characters like Ant-Man and Spiderman are more suited to these scenes than others.

Considering Infinity War is going to bring together everyone in the MCU, it's good to have directors that won't lose characters in the shuffle.
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rampancy: Now I'm waiting for everyone to start flaming you by shouting "You have a Marvel bias!". :P
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DaCostaBR: Ha! I hope not, I actually gave BvS a positive review. Well, a passing grade at least, a solid 6/10.

Now what I'm curious about is people's stance on the Russo brothers directing Avengers Infinity War 1 and 2.

I'm actually glad, I was a bit sick of Whedon to be honest. He has a problem with character voices, everyone sounds exactly the same, nothing but zingers and quips. That's fine for Tony Stark, but not when it seeps into other characters like Captain America in Age of Ultron. In this one you still had your quips every now and then, but every character felt distinct, and they knew that some characters like Ant-Man and Spiderman are more suited to these scenes than others.

Considering Infinity War is going to bring together everyone in the MCU, it's good to have directors that won't lose characters in the shuffle.
Yes, finally someone who has the same issue with Whedon that I do!

I thought the Winter Soldier was done well, so I'm optimistic about Civil War. If that's good I expect the other Russo movies to be good also.
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DaCostaBR: Now what I'm curious about is people's stance on the Russo brothers directing Avengers Infinity War 1 and 2.
I'm all for it. They handled the big ensemble piece that is Civil War really well, IMO, so I'm looking forward to them staying with the MCU for now.