When I think of Duke Nukem the first thing that comes to mind is not his hilariously over the top manliness. Instead I remember a damned fine first person shooter. And that is what I want to see again from a Duke Nukem game. But the unique character I think makes for a possibly awesome way to reboot the series some day (not that I'd expect that too happen).

I can't remember who suggested it and by now I'm too lazy to look over all the posts, but I agree that an incredible idea for a Duke Nukem game would be one in which he is 'reformed' and becomes something like an accountant or insurance salesman in an office building, at least for a start to the game.

The game starts in first person mode with you having to go and make photo copies or something, all the while exchanging lame playful banter with your coworkers:
"Hey Duke, want to go and pick out some calculator covers from stationary?"
"Sure thing Terry, I'll meet you guys there, let me just hand in these PA-38 forms."
proceeded by you actually walking over to your boss and handing in the forms, and then actually going to stationary and picking out a cover!

There should be a really attractive female coworker walking about, but each time you try and look at her the camera pans away by itself. You can then fight with the camera to try and center the crosshair on her, resulting in Duke audibly protesting. She would then ask seductively "What's the matter Duke?" resulting in Duke turning around screaming and running towards the bathroom. In the bathroom duke then stands in front of the mirror splashing water on his face saying "Get it together man, that's not you anymore". Splashing water on his face being a QTE of course.

Then while you are in the bathroom there is an ungodly explosion which Duke responds to by cowering in the corner. Then he hears the scream of a coworker and, hands trembling, takes out a stapler from his pocket as a weapon as he goes out to investigate.
Outside he finds an alien invasion taking place (again!) with an alien trying to kidnap the female coworker from earlier, which you now have to attack to save. The first attack is simply throwing the stapler, and subsequent attacks consists of weakly trying to slap the alien going "Leave her alone you alien meanie!"
But at some point the alien gets annoyed with you and kicks you through several office dividers. As Duke struggles to get to his feet he sees the alien continued struggle with the coworker which is also now laughing at Duke for his pitiful attempt to stop it.
Then you see Duke's hands coming up to his face and going "No, no, nooo", proceeded by the screen turning red a la Bruce's first change into the Hulk in the 2003 film. And then Duke jumps up roaring "I said leave her alone you alien scumbag!" And then you get to beat the alien to a pulp with your bare hands!

And then the game actually starts.

But who am I kidding :P After Duke Nukem forever the series is now in stasis, and I'd expect it to remain in stasis for a very long time.

Strange you speaking of "fictitious enemy figures"and using terms like "hypocritical" when there are so many vocal people in this very thread yelling "toxic masculinity" as an excuse for why a new Duke Nukem should not be made.

And there you go throwing out terms you clearly have no clue about such as "litigable"...as if your name calling and insults wouldn't fall under the same category if people could ever be sued for such things.

Do they?

Well, let's see who's on my friend list here... only certified and distinguished "SJW" on there...

Telika: "If anything it might work better nowadays."
KasperHviid: "I think a Duke Nukem 3D game could work today"
babark: "It absolutely can exist in today's climate."
Erpy: "I think he has niche appeal, but I think his mainstream appeal is limited"

The explanation of the toxic masculinity concept and a negative stance towards a new Duke are two entirely separate things that you're conflating, expectedly so. They're just being nice and explain the concept to yous, because obviously y'all are in dire need. Their stances on a new Duke are provably varied and heavily favor the "Sure, why not?".

They're, like, your buddies! :)

Actually, if I remember correctly, that was the premise of the first Duke Nukem (the very first one - the 2D platformer). Duke was sort of below average guy, who just continuosly watched TV (mainly action movies), so when Doctor Proton attacked he just went against him thinking himself as some action hero of his fantasies.

So, what you suggested is not as crazy as it sounds.

Kill this thread. Please.

Also, before you accuse me to limit your "freedom of speech" and the usual arguments the usual people recycle as a passepartout, watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY37GbE_tYc

I may make an effort and speak my mind in detail and with abundant motivation, but since everything would fall on deaf ears anyway, I let others do it for me. So much hassles spared.

I would also wish for a politic-free forum. Or, at least, one free of "alt-right" and "far-left", as you like to call them. (I call them BS")

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Yup. Not only that, but comparing it to a bunch of recent similar stuff that I like (and that I like better actually, but that do the same thing).

In fact, whenever there is a component of culture that gets questionnable, the best way to deal with it is to lampshade and parody it. Even if it's with tenderness, it's still distance. WH40k and Starship Troopers revel in their own genre, but create a distance by making it consciously over-the-top. Broforce does the same. It's the best way to have the cake and eat it. Being self-conscious, and overdoing it a bit. The best form of parody, in my eyes, is the one that pays hommage to what is naively enjoyable in a genre, while still toying with a bit (or a lot, depends) of derision. OSS117 for the Bond era, or Mars Attacks, or Polanski's Dance of the Vampires.

And a few of them (in particular Big Trouble in Little China) failed at the time because they were a bit too postmodern for the era. They get appreciated better nowadays, as we're more used to this style of tongue-in-cheek self-indulgence.

Amazing how you spin all the talk of "toxic masculinity" into an endorsement for a new game...
Are you really trying to claim that a new game would not be met by complaints due to this?
Clearly the OP, based on comments, thinks there is no room for such a game. I'm sure Dtgreene is pushing the "toxic masculinity" talk as an endorsement too...

Looks like a yes. 7.99 right now.

If a proper duke nukem game is made with Doom (2016) mechanics and the humor of Shadow Warrior then yes it will sell well.

The left wing feminists, SJWs and white knights will complain for the sake of complaining. They make money out of it.

Hey, nobody had even mentioned "toxic masculinity" in this thread. At least, not before people began complaining about it.

Anyways, I sorta agree that the term could do with a better name, but I don't feel this is a big deal. Lots of concepts just get a name sorta randomly, like "Roguelike", and then we're stuck with it. Sometimes we do the politically correct thing and enforce a new name which is more in sync with our values. But mostly we must accept that language is in a constant state of repairs, and most of it doesn't make much sense.

The Doom Slayer has plenty of one-liners, they're simply delivered a PUNCHlines.



:-D

God I am so looking forward to Doom Eternal.

And that is exactly why you are hypocrites. You condemn other people for slightest bias and demand not to use any expression that can hurt your feelings (including "social justice warrior" that literally means a person who fights for "social justice" and thus is the best term by definition). But the moment it comes to groups that you don't care about, you easily use derogatory and offensive terms like "toxic masculinity" without second thought.

Eh, most language makes perfect sense to me. Changing the wording of something doesn't change what that thing is, and most of the changes that are coming about are ideologically driven; ie. disagreeing peacefully with someone is violence, talking about what's real becomes 'pushing your reality on me', the most insidious is trying to co-opt a word that means fairness and promotes freedom: 'Equality', and change it to mean something tyrannical(ie. equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity).

Inventing new words is different than trying to change existing ones. Imagine doing it the other way, so that someone using a racist slur is engaging in 'joy speech', or an area that's hostile towards someone as a 'happy space' and I'm sure you'll see the problem.

We don't need words like toxic masculinity, or toxic femininity, 'toxic masculinity' is just referring the normal, positive male traits that have been taken too far. You can have too much of anything, women can care so much and be so protective that it becomes harmful, that doesn't mean that women in general need to be less caring; only that certain women need to be less caring. Saying 'toxic masculinity' is implying that there's something wrong with natural male traits, that are only harmful if taken to the extreme. We should focus on those individual cases instead of trying to say the outliers in a group define the whole group.

https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/OriginalMeme-1-1200x630-e1474324979895.jpg

Yeah, look at the tyranny in the right hand image. Makes me sick.
If you're tall and can see better, it's because god wanted you to see better. These bloody SJW liberal snowflakes think that someone should get 'help' if they have a disadvantage. Suck it up and help yourself shortarse.