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omega64: Just... Just play FNV eventually. :P
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AgentBirdnest: Or Alpha Protocol. It's about Agents! :-)
*backs out of conversation after interrupting*
I agree though.

Alpha Protocol is excellent.
It just doesn't give a good first impression.
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ddickinson: Consoles can be fun, my most favourite of games are on consoles. Granted they are old games on the older consoles, but consoles can be fun. Strangely enough I have not owned a console since the PS2 and GameCube, except for the Wii. I never quite got all the hostility with some console and pc gamers. Games are games, as long as you are having fun who cares what you play them on.

Is it bad that so many of these games are highly praised, but they seem to needs fan made mods to make them really enjoyable, surly the developers should be doing that, not fans?

That is what I though, I have been trying to check if I wasn't sure, but hopefully no big problems.

*watches Crow go crazy kicking the timer* :-)
It's an intensely lame superiority kick a lot of people like to go on. I think it started around the time that Nintendo and Sega were first fighting it out, trying to get customers to favor their brand over the other.
Over time, that's mutated into a deranged pissing contest, in all probability increased by the hobby being so damned expensive now for consoles, so people need to feel that they've got the best rather than the possibility that they spent a crapload of money on an inferior product.
Then you add in the PC thing, where a number of people feel superior because they might be more knowledgeable about the technical specs needed to run games as opposed to not giving a shit and caring solely about having fun games that work properly with little to no potential grief involved in getting them to run.
There's also a money aspect to that, since those same people are frequently the ones who talk about how much more powerful PC's are than consoles as a way to justify spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on a high-end computer.

I'd say that it's definitely bad. It's like Skyrim. So many people talk about how great Skyrim is.
Then they list the 15 mods they have on it, the ones they describe as must-have to fix the shitty things the developers put in originally.
I've played vanilla Skyrim. It's nothing to write home about. But people keep latching onto Bethesda because if nothing else, they make good sandboxes for people to add onto.
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AgentBirdnest:
-interrupts your interruption, just because- =)
Post edited June 10, 2016 by CarrionCrow
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CarrionCrow:
You pretty much nailed it.

Bethesda games are unique in how broken they are, that's something. :P
I still remember how they added backwards flying dragons in one the of the Skyrim patches.
Okay, which one of you broke the redeem page? >:-|

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omega64: *gives disapproving look*

Just... Just play FNV eventually. :P
Just for that I won't now. That will teach you for telling em what to do. :-)

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CarrionCrow: It's an intensely lame superiority kick a lot of people like to go on. I think it started around the time that Nintendo and Sega were first fighting it out, trying to get customers to favor their brand over the other.
Over time, that's mutated into a deranged pissing contest, in all probability increased by the hobby being so damned expensive now for consoles, so people need to feel that they've got the best rather than the possibility that they spent a crapload of money on an inferior product.
Then you add in the PC thing, where a number of people feel superior because they might be more knowledgeable about the technical specs needed to run games as opposed to not giving a shit and caring solely about having fun games that work properly with little to no potential grief involved in getting them to run.
There's also a money aspect to that, since those same people are frequently the ones who talk about how much more powerful PC's are than consoles as a way to justify spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on a high-end computer.

I'd say that it's definitely bad. It's like Skyrim. So many people talk about how great Skyrim is.
Then they list the 15 mods they have on it, the ones they describe as must-have to fix the shitty things the developers put in originally.
I've played vanilla Skyrim. It's nothing to write home about. But people keep latching onto Bethesda because if nothing else, they make good sandboxes for people to add onto.
Ah yes, the perry arguments of superiority by internet nerds, and their total grip on things to be able to respect others liking what they like, even if it is not what you like. And to think the internet was supposed to usher in an age of intelligence for the human race. :-)

I think that is part of the reason I have never been really interested in those games. I don't mind mods, I don't often use them at all, but I don't mind them. But when you literally need a mod to make the game work or enjoyable, well then somewhere along the line the devs need a kick up the arse, and in many ways the game should not get the reputation it has as that reputation is based on free work by fans, not the lazy developers. But Bethesda is well known for that, and for trying to even profit from said fan made mods.
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omega64: I agree though.

Alpha Protocol is excellent.
It just doesn't give a good first impression.
And has terrible boss fights. You can sneak through 94% of the game, but have no choice but to kill the bosses. (If I remember right.)
Just like Human Revolution >__<
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omega64: I agree though.

Alpha Protocol is excellent.
It just doesn't give a good first impression.
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AgentBirdnest: And has terrible boss fights. You can sneak through 94% of the game, but have no choice but to kill the bosses. (If I remember right.)
Just like Human Revolution >__<
Well, at least it introduced me to this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8CcTYsMHYU
Another random game question: Had anyone played Armello, if so is it any good?
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CarrionCrow: -interrupts your interruption, just because- =)
>:-O
... well... I don't mind :-p

I tried to play vanilla Skyrim. Couldn't play more than 11.4 minutes without having to tweak and mod it so the FOV and broken shadows wouldn't give me a headache. Once I finally got past that, I was just plain bored to tears :-p
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CarrionCrow: -interrupts your interruption, just because- =)
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AgentBirdnest: >:-O
... well... I don't mind :-p

I tried to play vanilla Skyrim. Couldn't play more than 11.4 minutes without having to tweak and mod it so the FOV and broken shadows wouldn't give me a headache. Once I finally got past that, I was just plain bored to tears :-p
I could only stand Skyrim just because I was zoning out listening to podcasts. :D
Which I probably shouldn't have done for a hundred hours.
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ddickinson: Ah yes, the perry arguments of superiority by internet nerds, and their total grip on things to be able to respect others liking what they like, even if it is not what you like. And to think the internet was supposed to usher in an age of intelligence for the human race. :-)

I think that is part of the reason I have never been really interested in those games. I don't mind mods, I don't often use them at all, but I don't mind them. But when you literally need a mod to make the game work or enjoyable, well then somewhere along the line the devs need a kick up the arse, and in many ways the game should not get the reputation it has as that reputation is based on free work by fans, not the lazy developers. But Bethesda is well known for that, and for trying to even profit from said fan made mods.
When you're that insecure as a person, I guess the tendency is to latch onto whatever you can, no matter how ridiculous.

It perpetuates both intelligence and stupidity. Course, the movie Idiocracy springs to mind, the balance shift as morons spawn at a far faster rate without thinking of the consequences, until the world is generally dumb as a brick.

Yeah, when mods are no longer really optional, but required, the developers have screwed up.
But they'll keep doing their thing since money ultimately talks and people keep buying the shit.
And yes, not only does Bethesda screw up, they fully intend to get paid for other people fixing their mistakes.
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ddickinson: Okay, which one of you broke the redeem page? >:-|

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omega64: *gives disapproving look*

Just... Just play FNV eventually. :P
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ddickinson: Just for that I won't now. That will teach you for telling em what to do. :-)
I win anyway, I said eventually. :D

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/cant_redeem_product_codes
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AgentBirdnest: >:-O
... well... I don't mind :-p

I tried to play vanilla Skyrim. Couldn't play more than 11.4 minutes without having to tweak and mod it so the FOV and broken shadows wouldn't give me a headache. Once I finally got past that, I was just plain bored to tears :-p
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omega64: I could only stand Skyrim just because I was zoning out listening to podcasts. :D
Which I probably shouldn't have done for a hundred hours.
I think this skyrim mod is essential.
*cough* *cough*
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ddickinson: Another random game question: Had anyone played Armello, if so is it any good?
Apparently not quite satisfying as a single player game.
Can't say I've played it myself though.
Not the most... successful of walks... we'll try again later. If there's still any connective tissue left in my shoulders. ;)

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ddickinson: Another random game question: Had anyone played Armello, if so is it any good?
I've played it and really enjoy it, but I'll warn, it's a board game, and seems like it would truly come alive in multiplayer. Single player is doable with AI taking over for the other players, but I get the impression it really limits the experience and would likely turn some off as they'd see it as "depending on multiplayer."
But I've come back to it several times and played, and I've always enjoyed it, even if it's just with the AI enemies.
*and hello!* :)

*also to add: I do recall the AI enemies taking their turns a bit too quickly to tell just what they were doing at times, so it can be frustrating. Not sure why it didn't bother me as much as it does most just judging by reviews, maybe I just like looking at all the purdy. haha
Post edited June 10, 2016 by akhliber
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AgentBirdnest: >:-O
... well... I don't mind :-p

I tried to play vanilla Skyrim. Couldn't play more than 11.4 minutes without having to tweak and mod it so the FOV and broken shadows wouldn't give me a headache. Once I finally got past that, I was just plain bored to tears :-p
Man, you need to play it more. You missed out on the tens of hours you can spend on managing inventory and selling stuff! That's, like, totally the best part right there.