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Gothfather: Despite the BS that certain people are spewing about the US is actually the one being boned in this situation it is crap because the US isn't a factor. Steam prices are ~10% to 15% cheaper for Canadians to buy their games in Canadian Funds and that means that FACTUALLY GoG isn't being competitive with the Canadian market. But I am sure that some voodoo BS will be spewed by some that will IGNORE the facts because it doesn't fit their personal narratives.
Look, no one is denying that Steam prices are 10-15% cheaper than GOG in CAD. Yet you seem to happily ignore the reason behind it: GoG's price is the normal price, Steam is giving a regional discount to Canadians, which today is roughly 10-15%.

FACT, Americans are paying 77 CAD for No Man's Sky on Steam.
FACT, Canadians are paying 66 CAD for No Man's Sky on Steam.
Disagree? look up the fraking prices yourself and the exchange rate. It's same for other games. "FACTUALLY Steam is giving a discount to Canadians. But I am sure that some voodoo BS will be spewed by some that will IGNORE the facts because it doesn't fit their personal narratives."

So, should GOG give such a regional discount too "just to stay competitive"? Well, as I said, should they accept DRMed games just to stay competitive? After all, people are going to Steam if they can't find their DRMed game on GOG.

Of course you are free to buy anywhere that has a discount. I buy from Steam when they have sales too.

Either way, I'm done here. I've explained, with examples, with actual calculations (with FACTS, as you'd say it), and I know it's no use to argue with "emotional based thinkers" who refuse to face facts. So have a good day.
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Fralel: I wonder, anyone knows when the CAD prices are updated? Daily, weekly, bi-Weekly or monthly? I'm kinda curious about that.
There was a time when it used to be quite often for the EUR, but that was when the exchange rates were jumping all over the place. It's a bit less often now, but I believe it's once a month at least.
Post edited May 11, 2016 by ZFR
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Gothfather: This is a real sad state of affairs. It amazes me how option based vs. evidence based people are.

Fact. Price on steam is $9 cheaper than the price on GOG for a game in the current market(No Man's Sky). That is not an insignificant amount.

Fact. Gog isn't at all close with steam on pricing in Canadian funds. Disagree? look up the fraking prices yourself in every case I have found steam is at least 10% cheaper than GoG. The products are the bloody same it is a GAME that does the same fraking thing. When two competitor's in the market place have the same method of delivery and are selling the same product then price is going to be the deciding factor for most consumers.

Fact. If Steam is going to be ~10% to 15% cheaper to buy from with every product that both GoG and steam sell then GoG ISN'T competitive in pricing.

Fact. Gog's Canadian Pricing is not at all competitive with steam.

But oh NO you can't say that because emotional based thinkers can't have their precious GoG be viewed in any light but perfection. So people had to go off on tangents to justify the price that GoG set, yet gog can set any fraking price they want they don't need to justify it. What they need to do is be competitive which they are not which is what this entire thread is about.

Despite the BS that certain people are spewing about the US is actually the one being boned in this situation it is crap because the US isn't a factor. Steam prices are ~10% to 15% cheaper for Canadians to buy their games in Canadian Funds and that means that FACTUALLY GoG isn't being competitive with the Canadian market. But I am sure that some voodoo BS will be spewed by some that will IGNORE the facts because it doesn't fit their personal narratives.

As long as GoG is this far apart from steam on pricing they are surrendering a market to a company that already holds the lion's share in PC digital distribution which is foolish if you are the company trying to TAKE away market share with the larger company. But please oh geniuses of the internet tell me how I am wrong.
Fact: A lot of people can't use Steam.
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ZFR: there is one (quite significant) difference: if you pay more than the American amount you get the difference back in store credit.
Strictly speaking, the Chinese price, not the American price.

For example, someone in Ireland would pay $16.99 for Subterrain, while someone in the US would pay $14.99, but the Irish wouldn't get the difference because the Chinese price is also $16.99.

This distinction, at the moment, affects only two games: Sheltered and Subterrain.

P.S. And, yes, there was a time a few months ago when people in the US could get a fair price package for some game because they had to pay more than the Chinese price (one the TW3 items, can't remember which).
Post edited May 11, 2016 by mrkgnao
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Gothfather:
Steam is also the big dog of digital distribution -- with a market share like theirs, they can well afford to undercut their competitors in certain markets. It's why you usually only see major store chains like Wal-mart do "price-match guarantee" things -- smaller stores would drive themselves into the ground if they tried that, whereas the giant retailers can take the hit and make it up in other ways. GOG has grown tremendously just in the last year or so, but their market share is still just a small fraction of Steam's, so I wouldn't count on them matching Steam's prices across the board any time soon. (Also, there might be contractual stipulations by certain publishers dictating that GOG can't sell the DRM-free version for under a certain amount, or something -- one never knows all the business agreements that are in place behind the scenes.)

TL;DR: Different stores have different prices for things for various reasons. If they think they can increase their profit by lowering their prices, they will; if they don't, they won't.

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mrkgnao: [...] the Chinese price, [...]
A.K.A. the "rest-of-the-world" price, right?
Post edited May 11, 2016 by HunchBluntley
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mrkgnao: [...] the Chinese price, [...]
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HunchBluntley: A.K.A. the "rest-of-the-world" price, right?
I tend to call it "Most of the World" rather than "Rest of the World".

The list of countries involved can be found here: http://www.an-ovel.com/pages/ma_mtrc.php#TableVIII
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HunchBluntley: A.K.A. the "rest-of-the-world" price, right?
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mrkgnao: I tend to call it "Most of the World" rather than "Rest of the World".

The list of countries involved can be found here: http://www.an-ovel.com/pages/ma_mtrc.php#TableVIII
Any particular reason why you use China as the "poster child" for that price region? Why not Afghanistan (first alphabetically by name, as near as I can tell), or the U.A.E. (first alphabetically by the two-letter abbreviation)?
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mrkgnao: I tend to call it "Most of the World" rather than "Rest of the World".

The list of countries involved can be found here: http://www.an-ovel.com/pages/ma_mtrc.php#TableVIII
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HunchBluntley: Any particular reason why you use China as the "poster child" for that price region? Why not Afghanistan (first alphabetically by name, as near as I can tell), or the U.A.E. (first alphabetically by the two-letter abbreviation)?
Each region is represented by the most populous country in the region.
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mrkgnao: Each region is represented by the most populous country in the region.
...All right.
My choice would have been to go with the country with the lowest average population density, or the largest mean hat size of male members of the population aged 24-37, or the one whose flag is objectively the "raddest", but your criterion is OK, too. I guess.
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mrkgnao: Each region is represented by the most populous country in the region.
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HunchBluntley: ...All right.
My choice would have been to go with the country with the lowest average population density, or the largest mean hat size of male members of the population aged 24-37, or the one whose flag is objectively the "raddest", but your criterion is OK, too. I guess.
I judge everyone on their appreciation of Baseball.

That's why I say we keep the States (including PR), Japan, Cuba, The Dominican Republic, and nuke the shit out of everyone else! :D
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tinyE: Fact: A lot of people can't use Steam.
If Steam with 125 millions active users mean a lot of people can't use it, I am scared to think what to say about GOG.
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Gothfather: Despite the BS that certain people are spewing about the US is actually the one being boned in this situation it is crap because the US isn't a factor. Steam prices are ~10% to 15% cheaper for Canadians to buy their games in Canadian Funds and that means that FACTUALLY GoG isn't being competitive with the Canadian market. But I am sure that some voodoo BS will be spewed by some that will IGNORE the facts because it doesn't fit their personal narratives.
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ZFR: Look, no one is denying that Steam prices are 10-15% cheaper than GOG in CAD. Yet you seem to happily ignore the reason behind it: GoG's price is the normal price, Steam is giving a regional discount to Canadians, which today is roughly 10-15%.

FACT, Americans are paying 77 CAD for No Man's Sky on Steam.
FACT, Canadians are paying 66 CAD for No Man's Sky on Steam.
Disagree? look up the fraking prices yourself and the exchange rate. It's same for other games. "FACTUALLY Steam is giving a discount to Canadians. But I am sure that some voodoo BS will be spewed by some that will IGNORE the facts because it doesn't fit their personal narratives."

So, should GOG give such a regional discount too "just to stay competitive"? Well, as I said, should they accept DRMed games just to stay competitive? After all, people are going to Steam if they can't find their DRMed game on GOG.

Of course you are free to buy anywhere that has a discount. I buy from Steam when they have sales too.

Either way, I'm done here. I've explained, with examples, with actual calculations (with FACTS, as you'd say it), and I know it's no use to argue with "emotional based thinkers" who refuse to face facts. So have a good day.
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Fralel: I wonder, anyone knows when the CAD prices are updated? Daily, weekly, bi-Weekly or monthly? I'm kinda curious about that.
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ZFR: There was a time when it used to be quite often for the EUR, but that was when the exchange rates were jumping all over the place. It's a bit less often now, but I believe it's once a month at least.
Your Faux intellectualism is showing. You seem to either not care about the facts like fox news or you can't see that you point is irrelevant. You might as well state the sky is blue to support your counter to my position. Not all facts are relevant to a given argument. Your BS number crunching isn't relevant, it is relevant if I was complaining of having to pay more than US customers but that isn't my argument which I clearly state in the original post. Trying to change the argument to something I am not making present facts to support your position against an argument I am NOT making doesn't actually show your intelligence it in facts shows you lacked the basic ability to know what the topic at hand actually is.

It doesn't matter one iota what Americans pay vs what Canadians pay vs what the EU pays or whomever. This is the fundamental point you seem to unable or unwilling to grasp. DRM is not even the fraking topic at hand so your bs example has zero relevance or merit. This thread is about the wide gap in pricing for CANADIANS between steam and GoG.

In MY market Which the TITLE of this thread clearly points to GoG is not competitive with its pricing. The gap is significantly larger than exchange rate deviation so that isn't the explanation. You might wish it to be so because that fits your personal narrative of the US being the victims here but it isn't evidence based.

We know that GoG matches prices with Steam in US funds but they are NOT matching prices with steam in Canadian funds. NOTHING you have said mitigates, explains or refutes this fundamental point. Steam is ~10% to 15% cheaper across the board. Which makes the title of this thread 100% accurate Canadian Pricing not at all COMPETITIVE with Steam.
Post edited May 14, 2016 by Gothfather
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Gothfather: We know that GoG matches prices with Steam in US funds but they are NOT matching prices with steam in Canadian funds. NOTHING you have said mitigates, explains or refutes this fundamental point. Steam is ~10% to 15% cheaper across the board. Which makes the title of this thread 100% accurate Canadian Pricing not at all COMPETITIVE with Steam.
You keep banging on this over and over and over again, yet you've stubbornly insisted on completely ignoring the reason as to why there is a difference between Steam and GOG's CAD pricing. No one is refuting or denying that Steam's CAD pricing is lower than GOG's. However, the point we're making here is that it's also important to understand the reasoning behind their pricing; when it comes to a discussion about international prices you can't ignore the exchange rate and how retailers take that into account.

You want GOG to set their regular CAD pricing according to Steam -- their largest competitor in DD games market with near-monopoly power on setting prices -- instead of the exchange rate? Okay, we get that. You don't like GOG's regional prices? We get that too. There's no need for the attitude.
The only time I'll pay more than 60$ for a game if I get a physical box copy. For 60 or more $$$ in a digital copy is just mental. Seriously crazy. I can't believe people actually would support that scheme.
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PaterAlf: And let's better not talk about many Europeans who have to pay 89.28 CAD here (and probably the same or even more on Steam).
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ZFR: Correct, though to be fair they get the equivalent of 11.78 CAD of store credit back, so taking that into account Europeans pay the equivalent of 77.50 CAD on GOG (89.28 - 11.78 store credit) and 89.28 CAD on Steam

To summarize:

GOG:
Canadians: 75.49 CAD
Americans: 77.45 CAD
Europeans: 77.50 CAD

Steam:
Canadians: 66.49 CAD
Americans: 77.45 CAD
Europeans: 89.28 CAD

Now, about getting ripped off...
Now check the salaries too and you can make me very sad....
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Gothfather: So I am curious why no man's sky is priced at $66.49 CND (Canadian Dollars) on steam but $75.49 CND on GoG? That is a 13.54% difference in price and no where near a reasonable margin of error due to exchange rate fluctuations.

What gives?
I should hope it is mainly a matter that there is no monopoly - if I shop brand specific stores or department stores, I do not expect identical pricing for a physical product.

The premium with gog.com (from my perspective) is that one can truly game off-line. If my computer crashes or must be shut-down for, say, take-off, this might not be guaranteed for some gaming clients.