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HereForTheBeer: Yes, were it not for things such as labor and workplace laws. And also the point Stevedog mentions about another person willing to do the work. Odds are, if you're getting whipped to perform your job then you're not going to be willing to do that work.
You are right of course.

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HereForTheBeer: That said, my wife is thinking about quitting her job and working with me, and I can assure you there would be the occasional spanking.
An who will the monkey?
^^
Basketball court sweat wiper upper

from the commercials Budweiser used to do about "Real American Heroes."
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HereForTheBeer: Yes, were it not for things such as labor and workplace laws. And also the point Stevedog mentions about another person willing to do the work. Odds are, if you're getting whipped to perform your job then you're not going to be willing to do that work.
Unless you're a slave...slaves don't have much choice.
Wasn't there something about Trump re-introducing slavery? Or did I just imagine that?
Love the OP video's last category. I think my bs job fits that one lol
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viperfdl: In your logic an employer could be willing to pay someone, who would be willing to do it for the offered wage, for whipping employees every time they don't work as hard as the employer wants them to and this job would be perfectly valuable.
To the employer, yes. Otherwise he wouldn't be paying anything for an extra whipboy.

Then again, why would the other employees take a job where they get whipped? They should vote with their feet and go to the other jobs where they don't get whipped, or get whipped less regularly. Unless they enjoy getting whipped, of course. Then they should be actually paying the employer for the extra whipping service.

Also, if those employees are robots, I feel there wouldn't even be any moral dilemma to whip them, if it makes them work faster. Who hasn't slapped his PC once in awhile because it didn't work right?


Overall, I dislike the division to "employers" and "employees", because in my mind anyone can be an employer if they wish. Haven't you washed your dishes yet, or cleaned your room? Maybe you should employ a cleaning (wo)man who visits your home every day to do the dishes and vacuum cleaning, and you pay them 5000€/month for the service, because anything less would be exploitation.

What did you say, you do your dishes and cleaning yourself, not employing anyone? You might even use automated robots like a dish washing machine or a robot vacuum cleaner so that you don't have to do it yourself? How awful of you, you capitalistic peeeg! You could have employed one or more people to do all that cleaning stuff at your home, but no you didn't, so now they are unemployed.

See how this works? Employers get accused of trying to get people to do certain tasks cheaply or even use automated robots to do it without human labor, but common people don't get accused when doing exactly the same. Trying to get cheap labor force is no different than buying gas from the gas station that sells it the cheapest. We are all cheapskates, trying to save up in our own expenses.

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morolf: Wasn't there something about Trump re-introducing slavery? Or did I just imagine that?
Yes.
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Enormous irony at this point of the discussion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kehnIQ41y2o&feature=youtu.be&t=334

6th bullshit job: Whatever it is that David Graeber is being paid to do, which appears to be him talking about other people doing things. Without actually lifting a finger himself. I can get the same thing at the local bar, and get a drink at the same time.
The only bullshit jobs are the one that you don't wanna do.Sometimes you wanna become a doctor but your family forces you to be a Engineer.Now, this is a bullshit job.
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SalmanAnees: Sometimes you wanna become a doctor
I wanted to be a pornstar, even had a name picked out, Kleetus Two Ways.
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SalmanAnees: Sometimes you wanna become a doctor
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Kleetus: I wanted to be a pornstar, even had a name picked out, Kleetus Two Ways.
... but your parents forced you to be an internet troll?
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morolf: Communism wasn't that inefficient at killing people and mass surveillance.
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awalterj: I guess it wasn't @realcommunism™ then, is what my leftist friends always say
Of course not. Communism, in the way it was conceptualized by Marx, doesn't exist and never did. It actually can't exist, because people are not nice. The communist idea is far too easy to exploit and there will always be persons doing so. Using the controlling positions to gain more personal power. So real communism always turns into a dictatorship of some kind. Ideal communism would only work if ALL persons in that commune would be nice, altruistic people. But if you would have a community of only nice, altruistic people, they wouldn't need any political system telling them how to behave. So that's the crux: in a real world, Communism doesn't work. In an ideal world, however, Communism would be pointless.
A lot of bureaucratic jobs.


And also this "pop culture critic job" that Anita Sarkeesian claims to be is a bullshit job.
I'm from St Louis Missouri.

THIS is the Gateway Arch.

And THIS is the guy who has to change the light on the top of that damn thing. :P
I'm pretty sure mine qualifies.
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Lifthrasil: Of course not. Communism, in the way it was conceptualized by Marx, doesn't exist and never did. It actually can't exist, because people are not nice. The communist idea is far too easy to exploit and there will always be persons doing so. Using the controlling positions to gain more personal power. So real communism always turns into a dictatorship of some kind. Ideal communism would only work if ALL persons in that commune would be nice, altruistic people. But if you would have a community of only nice, altruistic people, they wouldn't need any political system telling them how to behave. So that's the crux: in a real world, Communism doesn't work. In an ideal world, however, Communism would be pointless.
When it comes to large structures, you are right. Communism works in small structures (communes), I know some people who live like that. But of course this is only possible because all the people there chose to be "nice" and live in this way.
I don't think these people consider themselves overly altruistic though. It's more like a fellowship where every one does their part to keep things going.
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tinyE: I'm from St Louis Missouri.

THIS is the Gateway Arch.

And THIS is the guy who has to change the light on the top of that damn thing. :P
My first office had these really big windows and you could see several other buildings from your seat. One day I noticed one guy hanging from the roof at another building, who spent all morning cleaning the windows from the outside. It was winter, with harsh cold. So I said to myself, "No matter how bad your day was, remember that guy who spent his hanging from the roof, cleaning those windows".