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asimovfreerobot: Also, can anyone explain me the deal with XCom 2? Why does it cost so much more than XCom:Enemy Unknown? On what levels XCom 2 is better than XCom:EU? The deal with XCOM summarize the corruption of the gaming industry. It was a kickstarter project, now they release nearly the same game again and price it 60$.
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Grargar: Neither XCOM: Enemy Unknown, nor XCOM 2 are Kickstarter projects. You're confusing them with Xenonauts.
Oops, thanks for the notice. I knew XCom2 is not a Kickstarter project but I don't know why I always remembered XCom Enemy Unknown as a Kickstarter game.

But my question is still valid i believe, what is the reason xcom2 costs so much more than enemy within? Just because it got popular i suppose...
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asimovfreerobot: But my question is still valid i believe, what is the reason xcom2 costs so much more than enemy within? Just because it got popular i suppose...
The original price for XCOM: Enemy Unknown was 50 bucks (when it was released back in 2012). Over time, they decided to drop the price to the point that it now costs 20 bucks (or 30 with all the DLCs). Something similar will more than likely happen with XCOM 2 after some years.
Post edited April 17, 2016 by Grargar
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asimovfreerobot: But my question is still valid i believe, what is the reason xcom2 costs so much more than enemy within? Just because it got popular i suppose...
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Grargar: The original price for XCOM: Enemy Unknown was 50 bucks (when it was released back in 2012). Over time, they decided to drop it to the point that it now costs 20 bucks (or 30 with all the DLCs). Something similar will more than happen with XCOM 2 after some years.
Well, you got me wrong.It is probably my fault but what I was trying to mean is, they released nearly the same game with 60$. Without any big development, it is so wrong to sell a sequel with 60$ price tag. That is of course their decision, but it just feels wrong. I really enjoyed xcom enemy unknown but I have never thought of buying xcom 2 after watching the gameplay. Also some people claim that xcom enemy unknown was way more fun compared to xcom 2, and they say it got bad in challange/fun balance.
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Melhelix: ...
But it doesn't have to be that extreme. I am on the edge of my seat waiting for Josh Parnell to finish Limit Theory because oh my god those are amazing graphics and the entire thing is procedurally generated from -math-. There are no, zero, none, image libraries in that game. Everything is a math equation being rendered. And you can alter/mod pretty much the entire game while the game is still running. It's a phenomenal masterpiece of what is possible currently. The AI is actually down right scary. Sadly the development is on a short hiatus while Parnell recovers from some medical issues.

That's also why I love playing Dwarf Fortress. Those two brothers never stop making it better. Every update is a new, well why can't we do that? It's incredible.
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Yeah, I should've added that the alien overlord would though allow all current developments to finish. There are some in development titles that I wouldn't be able to do without, like M&B2 and Terraria Otherworld.

And Dwarf Fortress of course, if that ever gets finished :P I hope that one day we get an alchemy update that adds potions to the game, but at this stage I'll settle for a UI update :P
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Matewis: In the following sense I mean: how much do you think your gaming life would be really be affected if some supreme alien overlord conquers earth and only forbids the creation of new video games?
I would oppose that. I'd probably equip a Hercules fighter with two Prometheus guns, and fly with my squadron to fight that evil anti-gaming overlord.

If we failed in our mission, I guess i personally own enough games for the rest of my life, but how about the future generations? I'm thinking about them too.
never enough
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snowkatt: never enough
I agree... and there are some stories yet that haven't been told.
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Matewis: In the following sense I mean: how much do you think your gaming life would be really be affected if some supreme alien overlord conquers earth and only forbids the creation of new video games?
The year 2046...

The pessimist version
ZFR: "Back in my days we used to have video games, but because the alien overlords banned them, you poor kids don't have any compatible ones left to play now."

The optimist version
ZFR: "Back in my days we used to have video games, but because the alien overlords banned them, you fine young people didn't spend your childhood sitting in front of the screen all day, but doing all kind of healthy outdoor activities instead."

The realist version
ZFR: "Back in my days..."
"... YOU USED TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES. *Sigh* You've said it like a zillion times, old man."
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ZFR: The realist version
ZFR: "Back in my days..."
"... YOU USED TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES. *Sigh* You've said it like a zillion times, old man."
Are there enough parody threads by now?
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Faenrir: ...
But for now, i believe even though there are tons of great games, new games are needed. Would you have enjoyed reading only books from the 1900s ? Sure there are a lot of classics...but hell, without Lotr there would be no D&D. Without D&D there would be no RPG scene. Without the RPG scene, we might never have gotten video games in the first place.
As in the first decade of the 20th century? No, I don't think I would have, similar to how I wouldn't have been happy (I don't think) to only play games from the 1980s. The point is that by now there are enough great games spanning several decades that I would be completely content (well, at least almost completely) sticking to what we have up to this point. But only from the point of view of being able to sit down in front of my PC and have a blast playing a game. As for gaming as a whole I completely agree. I'm sure that we'll miss out on many great classics to-be if game development stopped, which would suck.
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tinyE: I'D KILL EVERY ONE OF YOU AND THEN MYSELF! :D
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Matewis: Such righteous fury should be directed at our alien masters instead!
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MacArthur: ...
i've played recently the age of wonders series and the first one, as old as it is, seems far above the others to me, and it's a neverending game...
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Matewis: Me too in fact, just earlier in the year. It has a fantastic atmosphere and great combat, but it's let down a bit by the AI's meta game sometimes, especially on island levels.
You're right. The Ai can't cross river or sea by ship and that shows. Though the AI is frequently the defining part of a strategy game and it's rarely very good. Still, the AI of the first age of wonders is overall quite good I thought.
I wouldn't be bothered too much. About 90% of time I play games from the previous "generation" (older than four years, for instance), so my habits would shift only slightly. I have a lot of games I haven't even tried, probably never will, so that scenario would only make me play them anyway. I'd still be bummed out, because I do quite enjoy the occasional new game.
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Grargar: The original price for XCOM: Enemy Unknown was 50 bucks (when it was released back in 2012). Over time, they decided to drop it to the point that it now costs 20 bucks (or 30 with all the DLCs). Something similar will more than happen with XCOM 2 after some years.
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asimovfreerobot: Well, you got me wrong.It is probably my fault but what I was trying to mean is, they released nearly the same game with 60$. Without any big development, it is so wrong to sell a sequel with 60$ price tag. That is of course their decision, but it just feels wrong. I really enjoyed xcom enemy unknown but I have never thought of buying xcom 2 after watching the gameplay. Also some people claim that xcom enemy unknown was way more fun compared to xcom 2, and they say it got bad in challange/fun balance.
You could claim the same of any sequel. XCOM 2 has new assets, new mechanics, new skins, procedurally generated destructible maps, and a dynamic geoscape that gives aliens autonomy and players the ability to instigate events rather than merely react. It’s not like it’s a roster update.
Post edited April 17, 2016 by markrichardb
No. There are loads of MORE THAN ENOUGH games, already! Endless clones of the same god-damned game (thankfully, some are really nice and interesting miraculously), stagnant ideas, nothing new, bad quality and cheap recycling, lots of MMOs (thankfully though, their initial craze has almost died out for good) and the same godawful sports games year and year again, god i hate sports (conventional ones) and especially games on them...

Since witcher 3 is out, i wouldn't mind those aliens erasing the possibility of creating new games, forever. No new game managed to make me say "Hell, this new baby is better than the good old", plus most modern and AAA titles suffer from untreatable consolitis, crappy optimization for pc, being a terrible port AND having a disastrous launching period, until patches and fixes are out.

Bring the 10 games i really want and they didn't make it to GOG (yet) and then yes, please eradicate new garbage from polluting our systems for good! I am perfectly fine with it.
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timppu: ...

If we failed in our mission, I guess i personally own enough games for the rest of my life, but how about the future generations? I'm thinking about them too.
Why? They're not thinking about you!

Btw, what is a Prometheus gun? Something from the film?