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Posted February 21, 2014
The DRM-Free Revolution Continues with Big Pre-Orders and Launch Day Releases!

Good news! GOG.com is going to bring you more fantastic launch day releases, preorders, and other exciting new content from some of our favorite developers. We've lined up 3 big titles that we will be bringing to GOG.com in the next couple of months for sale or preorder that we think will be hits with all of our gamers; and we have more equally exciting games coming up soon.

If you've been a member of the site for a long time, you may recall that when we launched sales of The Witcher 2 on GOG.com, we had to add in regional pricing. The game cost different amounts in in the US, the UK, the European Union, and Australia. We're doing something like that once again in order to bring you new titles from fantastic bigger studios. Since we don't accept currencies other than USD on GOG.com right now, we'll be charging the equivalent of the local price in USD for these titles. We wish that we could offer these games at flat prices everywhere in the world, but the decision on pricing is always in our partners' hands, and regional pricing is becoming the standard around the globe. We're doing this because we believe that there's no better way to accomplish our overall goals for DRM-Free gaming and GOG.com. We need more games, devs, and publishers on board to make DRM-Free gaming something that's standard for all of the gaming world!

That brings with it more good news, though! As mentioned, we have three games we're launching soon with regional pricing--two RPGs and a strategy game--and while we can't tell you what they are yet because breaking an NDA has more severe penalties than just getting a noogie, we're confident that you'll be as excited about these games as we are. For a limited time, we will be offering anyone who pre-orders or buys one of them a free game from a selection as a gift from GOG.com, just like we did for The Witcher 2.

If you have any questions, hit us up in the comments below and we'll be happy to answer (to the best of our ability).

EDIT: Since we've answered a lot of the common questions already here (and lest you think that we've ignored you), it may be handy for you to check out the forum thread about this and search for staff answers by clicking this link here. (hat tip to user Eli who reminded us that the feature even exists. :)
Posted February 22, 2014
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Drerhu: Since steam tactics are really awful and even Humble Store is deleting drmfree links from the purchased links (for example, Sang Froid only has steamkey, being Gog´s version the only one drmfree) I don´t really know who could be even better nowdays...

(And IMHO, the insomnia and time machine sale weren´t a bad idea)
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GaminggUy45: Your one of the most reasonable people in this thread. I thought the insomnia and time machine sales were pretty cool myself.
To be honest, I'm kind of bewildered why some people have such resentment towards GOG because of those sales. I mean, it's fine if you didn't like that kind of format...the Insomnia one in particular had numerous flaws. But it's not like it was the first time GOG has experimented with a sales format (remember when GOG did the PWYW Interplay bundle? They haven't done such a bundle since), nor are people obligated to participate in each and every sale if they don't want to (heck, I think I only bought one game during the Insomnia sale). They just wanted to try something new, it didn't really work out and that's that.

Given the poor reception the Insomnia sale received, chances are that they're never going to do it again (at least not in that exact format). So why people still hold bad feelings about that is beyond me. At least it's understandable why people are still upset about the shutdown stunt, since it needlessly scared the crap out of people and they didn't allow anyone to download their purchased games.

More on topic, one thing that is also disappointing is the fact that this is the first major change GOG has done this year. I was kind of hoping stuff like an improved updating system or even a multiplayer API (assuming they can actually do it) would take precedence. Heck, given that they want to release new games closer to their original release dates, a better updating system should be a top priority.
Posted February 22, 2014
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Future_Suture: Who is GOG to to think it knows better with regard to what its customers want than its customers themselves? That's what the community wishlist is for. GOG, use it! How about getting System Shock and Grim Fandango instead of some "AAA" titles whose publishers force you to adhere to their needs alone?
What if regional pricing was something that was keeping Grim Fandango from coming here?
Posted February 22, 2014
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hedwards: You must work for a casino. Those sales were deeply exploitive and Mr. Gog ought to be ashamed of himself for taking advantage of a well known weakness that people have.
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GaminggUy45: I wish i worked in a casino. Also i said they were pretty cool i didn't say they weren't exploitive.
That's certainly a fair point, though usually cool implies that something isn't evil.

I just wish they'd can all this bullshit about rapid growth and focus on providing a better experience. I personally think that it's incredibly foolish of them to ditch what's left of their integrity for new AAA games, but then again, I've been opposed to most of these bullshit moves in the first place and I don't get a say.
Posted February 22, 2014
I am really sure that all Daedalic games will be regionally priced very soon.

There were always discussions about the fact why a German game developer does not release its games (or with a very long delay) with the original German audio on GOG. This always ended with the excuse that they were forced by their publisher in order not to cripple the physical releases. So, Deponia 3 and Memoria has been released which were self-funded and ... no German audio for GOG though other digital releases DO have it.

I think their games now will get their German audio here at last, but also they will one of the first affected with regional pricing.

Expect full regional pricing creeping until Christmas 2014 at least.
Posted February 22, 2014
Thanks to Lugamo for this link:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6P3yOTR2Vc&t=1194

So GOG, are we still humans to you, or have we been reduced to consumers by now?
Posted February 22, 2014
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Future_Suture: Who is GOG to to think it knows better with regard to what its customers want than its customers themselves? That's what the community wishlist is for. GOG, use it! How about getting System Shock and Grim Fandango instead of some "AAA" titles whose publishers force you to adhere to their needs alone?
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GaminggUy45: What if regional pricing was something that was keeping Grim Fandango from coming here?
It's not. If regional pricing were keeping a game like that out of here, they would have led with that at the same time as announcing the change.
Posted February 22, 2014
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Niggles: I'm actually wondering if certain publishers are rocking the boat so to say.First GMG had to do it, then Humble and now Gog , all in short space of time.
I couldn´t stop thinking about that..sounds like a "publisher-seller big sized" meeting for me.. : \
Posted February 22, 2014
And THERE goes the last reason why I considered buying at GOG.

Removed your fair pricing policy to suit some greedy publishers and their unfair 1€=1$ pricing lunacy.

WELL DONE GOG, WELL DONE!
Posted February 22, 2014
I really miss the days when GOG was about good old games, not compromising on its values (no regional pricing) to land big-name titles that I can just as easily buy elsewhere. It's been forever since I found an OLD GAME that I want under GOG's new releases section, which used to be a very frequent occurrence for me...
Posted February 22, 2014
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DeweyDTruman: There's a very simple fix to this and it's to not sell games by publishers who require regional pricing. I'm sure GOG gets by just fine on sales of their, well, good old games. Refusing to buy them, if nothing else then on GOG, is the closest thing to a real message that can be sent.
GOG *could* just continue to refuse games that can't be sold with worldwide pricing, but this would mean they could never sell AAA titles at release - or at least not for a very long time (until physical retail is mostly dead).

And if anyone's going to refuse to buy a game on GOG due to regional pricing then I hope they will also refuse to buy that game elsewhere. To do otherwise would be hypocritical and counterproductive - basically sending the message to publishers that they are OK with both regional pricing *and* DRM.


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Pheace: The problem here is that the exact same argument can be applied to DRM. There's really nothing at all differentiating them, other than GOG keeping their foot down on the matter. They could've done the exact same thing with fair pricing, but they didn't.

Most people here realize that the only thing keeping DRM being here is them sticking to their core values. So seeing one of the other core values get dropped like this makes them nervous. Because really, it could have been DRM just the same.
Yes, the same argument could have been applied to DRM.

So let's say GOG had announced they'd be allowing DRM but keeping worldwide pricing - what would that have accomplished? It certainly wouldn't pave the way to bring big AAA games here - the various agreements that the major publishers have with distributors/retailers mandating regional pricing is the main thing preventing that, so that wouldn't change. Nor would it it potentially herald any real shift in how the industry does business and treats its customers - most indies that self-publish already use worldwide pricing (or close enough). The only change would be that GOG could become yet another Steam key reseller; literally nothing good would come from it.

Dropping worldwide pricing in order to offer AAA titles from the major publishers DRM-free however is potentially a huge shift in how such games are sold. The big publishers have until recently been extremely reluctant to offer their games without some form of DRM - with many games being permanently locked into Steam, and the likes of Ubisoft and EA even developing their own much-hated DRM schemes - and so convincing them otherwise would be a very big deal.


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hedwards: I don't really think they're separate issues. Without DRM it's largely meaningless, how would GOG prevent people from buying in whatever the cheapest region is and selling gifts to people that would have to pay more? So, yeah, technically they are separate issues, but some method of enforcement is required, otherwise there's no point in buying games in the more expensive regions.
They are very different issues... regional pricing is enforced by the storefront checking your location and presenting you with the prices for the region you're in, whereas DRM is basically crapware attached to the software you buy that's designed to restrict your use of said software.

As to the specifics of how GOG will be handling regional pricing... I have no idea. I expect GOG's solution will be similar to what they did with The Witcher 2 though.
Posted February 22, 2014
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GaminggUy45: Your one of the most reasonable people in this thread. I thought the insomnia and time machine sales were pretty cool myself.
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hedwards: You must work for a casino. Those sales were deeply exploitive and Mr. Gog ought to be ashamed of himself for taking advantage of a well known weakness that people have.
First nope, I´m just a postdegree unemployed guy. But since I´m not OBLIGATED to purchase everything on sight, I think it´s really cool to see what games are more purchased for people.

In the other hand, Steam daily flash (over a entire week, giving sales on midnight it´s a worse thing, because why people should keep awaken for a fucking week to no miss it´s favorite game?

At least Gog annouced years and what gamse could be in, or sales aren´t so time-consuming, IMHO.
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jorlin: Thanks to Lugamo for this link:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6P3yOTR2Vc&t=1194

So GOG, are we still humans to you, or have we been reduced to consumers by now?
I think this is taking some "postapocalypse no humandom" tint...=_=
Post edited February 22, 2014 by Drerhu
Posted February 22, 2014
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GaminggUy45: Your one of the most reasonable people in this thread. I thought the insomnia and time machine sales were pretty cool myself.
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Gandos: To be honest, I'm kind of bewildered why some people have such resentment towards GOG because of those sales. I mean, it's fine if you didn't like that kind of format...the Insomnia one in particular had numerous flaws. But it's not like it was the first time GOG has experimented with a sales format (remember when GOG did the PWYW Interplay bundle? They haven't done such a bundle since), nor are people obligated to participate in each and every sale if they don't want to (heck, I think I only bought one game during the Insomnia sale). They just wanted to try something new, it didn't really work out and that's that.

Given the poor reception the Insomnia sale received, chances are that they're never going to do it again (at least not in that exact format). So why people still hold bad feelings about that is beyond me. At least it's understandable why people are still upset about the shutdown stunt, since it needlessly scared the crap out of people and they didn't allow anyone to download their purchased games.

More on topic, one thing that is also disappointing is the fact that this is the first major change GOG has done this year. I was kind of hoping stuff like an improved updating system or even a multiplayer API (assuming they can actually do it) would take precedence. Heck, given that they want to release new games closer to their original release dates, a better updating system should be a top priority.
I actually don't believe the Insomnia sale was poorly received the problem seemed to be certain games stayed up there forever and weren't priced very good sales wise. But back on topic there was an interview where they said something about working on being more convenient. Maybe that has something to do with the update system cause if there going to start offering more newer games at launch. Then the update system will need an overhaul.
Posted February 22, 2014
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Future_Suture: Who is GOG to to think it knows better with regard to what its customers want than its customers themselves? That's what the community wishlist is for. GOG, use it! How about getting System Shock and Grim Fandango instead of some "AAA" titles whose publishers force you to adhere to their needs alone?
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GaminggUy45: What if regional pricing was something that was keeping Grim Fandango from coming here?
That´s what I think, since sadly...DisneyLucasrats are even greedier than Lucasarts at its own u_u
Posted February 22, 2014
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adamhm: They are very different issues... regional pricing is enforced by the storefront checking your location and presenting you with the prices for the region you're in, whereas DRM is basically crapware attached to the software you buy that's designed to restrict your use of said software.

As to the specifics of how GOG will be handling regional pricing... I have no idea. I expect GOG's solution will be similar to what they did with The Witcher 2 though.
And how precisely do they prevent the secondary market from developing in gift arbitrage? That's sort of the point, that between VPNs and gifts, there's no way of enforcing that at the storefront. If Gog is serious about regional pricing, there's going to have to be some form of enforcement here. And why should any of us pay anything other than the lowest price?
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hedwards: You must work for a casino. Those sales were deeply exploitive and Mr. Gog ought to be ashamed of himself for taking advantage of a well known weakness that people have.
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Drerhu: First nope, I´m just a postdegree unemployed guy. But since I´m not OBLIGATED to purchase everything on sight, I think it´s really cool to see what games are more purchased for people.

In the other hand, Steam daily flash (over a entire week, giving sales on midnight it´s a worse thing, because why people should keep awaken for a fucking week to no miss it´s favorite game?

At least Gog annouced years and what gamse could be in, or sales aren´t so time-consuming, IMHO.
Sigh, you do realize that the sales exploit the same ones that casinos use to encourage people to gamble and spend more than they should, right? Yes people aren't obligated to, but that's not the same thing as the reality that people were spending money that they likely wouldn't normally have spent due to the way the sale was structured.
Post edited February 22, 2014 by hedwards
Posted February 22, 2014
I'm not happy with the decision for regional pricing but as long as it applies only to new titles and hopefully changes to flat pricing for this games after a certain period of time I'll give gog.com the benefit of the doubt.
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