It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
avatar
GR11: I would differentiate a little. There are actually people who try to use minorities to stir up prejudice against western countries, paint them as ''intolerant' or create conflicts. But there are also some who fall for this and *actually* believe they would do something good.

Take for example the current burning of JK Rowlings books :O Sure, some people incite such stuff on purpose because Rowling is not adhering to their ideology or her books would be too "conservative". But others truly believe Rowling would have said or done something evil - because they never looked up what she actually said.
avatar
SarahGabriella: This isnt a thread about transphobes like Rowling. And she is a massive TERF.
If you would truly care about homosexuals, discrimination or racism, you would never ever complain about Baldurs Gate, Rowling or western countries. You would be out in the streets and protest against IS, Hamas, BDS & Yusra Khogali, actual ethnic cleanings and true persecution of homosexuals.

You don't care about discrimination or racism at all. You only care if you can blame western countries.
Decent bait.
avatar
TauLambda: Where have I lied and where is my hate?
avatar
_Pax_: "Cult of woke" ... "leftist" ... pretty much half the words out of your damned mouth, really.
How is Cult of Woke hatred or a lie? It is an opinion that the people who support woke ideology are cultish in how they do not like opinions different from theirs.

And leftist is also a statement of opinion that I classify this group with this word to distinguish them from liberals, as I do not believe a true liberal places so much emphasis on sexual orientation and race. Considering I see myself as a liberal being for freedom of speech, life, and liberty, I also distinguish them from me as such.

So neither statement is a lie or hate. I have not claimed that anyone is less of a person or less deserving of the freedom we enjoy just because I disagree with your world view. So you cannot classify anything I have said as hate. As for the lie,opinions cannot be lies. They are opinions. They can be wrong, but since an opinion is subjective, unless I have misrepresented my own views, they are not lies.

You are free to disagree with my world view as I disagree with yours, but throwing out accusations of lies and hate like that is careless and weakens your own position.

If you think I have lied in my scientific statements of biological sex, then refute them with evidence, but to make such accusations so flippantly is an indication that you cannot.
avatar
TauLambda: Trans women are not women, they are trans women, just like trans men. An adult who decides to transition has every right to do so, and if I met one I would likely refer to them by she/he depending on the transition, but taking hormones,changing your clothes, and cutting off your genitalia does not change your biological sex. XX chromosomes = women XY = Male. This is part of the reason people do not want this ideology to pollute games because it advocates things which are disjointed from reality and demands that people accept it as fact or else be called transphobic.

You are advocating for 2+2=5

People push back when you accuse them of being bigoted because they disagree with your opinion.
avatar
Katarack21: 1) Biological sex isn't that simple. Chromosomes are way more complicated then that--XYY is more common that schizophrenia, and the majority of people who have it never even realize they do but go their whole life thinking their normal males. That isn't even getting into the weird things that can happen with hormones--androgen resistance is a real thing that can make a genetic XY person develop with a completely female body--or gene transposition like having a partial X chromosome overwrite the Y chromosome etc. Biological sex has *always* been more complicated then than the hard XX/XY dichotomy we simplify it as.

2) Biological sex has *nothing* to do with gender. There can be and have been and currently *are* many, many societies with more than two gender positions, sometimes five or six, and which gender you fall into is a social and psychological construct that is interrelated to how your biological sex is perceived by both yourself and others but is not dependent on it.

3) I don't know that you're bigoted, but you are *definitely* ignorant. That's not a *value* judgement, it's a statement about your lack of knowledge regarding the genetics, physiology, and anthropology of both sex and gender.
1) Yes genetics is complicated but a Y chromosome denotes male. Regardless mutation and expression, biologically speaking it =male. At no point did I say that someone with a Y chromosome always developed male sex characteristics. There are certainly times when this fails to happen. But the presence of Y nonetheless means they are male. Whether they choose to live in a male social role or not is a different question, one which I never argued.

2) I never brought up gender. I only referred to biological sex for the specific reason to remaining clear in my distinctions.

3) I am certainly ignorant in many ways which is why I like freedom of speech and discussion as it allows me to find out where I am wrong. But I am fairly confident in my biological distinction of the sexes. You can make cultural arguments about customs in different parts of the world as to how they represent male and female, and I would be right with you in agreement that society influences the roles each sex assumes, but biological sex is not a social construct and that's all I have referred to.
avatar
SarahGabriella: Does this game feature POC, especially black characters and LGBT characters in BG3?
Some of the recruitable allies can be romanced by both male and female player characters, so I think the response to the LGBT question is yes.
One of the recruitable characters is black (Wyll). Lae'zel (another recruitable character) is a Githyanki, though I doubt this is what you meant by POC.

I haven't really paid attention if any of the NPCs were POC. If someone has already answered this question, feel free to skip the remainder of my post. Otherwise:

i) If you are considering buying this game in Early Access, you could watch a Let's Play to see if there are any. Sure, you risk getting some spoilers, but if you were considering buying BGIII in EA, you were bound to receive spoilers way before seeing the full game anyway.
ii) If you aren't, I'd recommend waiting until the full game is out, because it is possible that there are few POC NPCs in the first Act but many more in the following two. Someone is bound to mention this in a review if you are patient enough.

As for all the huge discussion of social justice in this thread, I would just like to say the following:

There is no need for being assholes. OK, you might not care about the number of POC and LGBT characters in the game, and I can perfectly understand that. OP does, though, and those that had nothing helpful at all to say should have just ignored this thread. Why try to change OP's worldview? She is just trying to make a very personal decision. If you don't like to use her criteria in order to decide whether to buy the game or not, don't use these criteria.
Post edited October 14, 2020 by Moloch.
avatar
SarahGabriella: Does this game feature POC, especially black characters and LGBT characters in BG3?
avatar
Moloch.: Some of the recruitable allies can be romanced by both male and female player characters, so I think the response to the LGBT question is yes.
One of the recruitable characters is black (Wyll). Lae'zel (another recruitable character) is a Githyanki, though I doubt this is what you meant by POC.

I haven't really paid attention if any of the NPCs were POC. If someone has already answered this question, feel free to skip the remainder of my post. Otherwise:

i) If you are considering buying this game in Early Access, you could watch a Let's Play to see if there are any. Sure, you risk getting some spoilers, but if you were considering buying BGIII in EA, you were bound to receive spoilers way before seeing the full game anyway.
ii) If you aren't, I'd recommend waiting until the full game is out, because it is possible that there are few POC NPCs in the first Act but many more in the following two. Someone is bound to mention this in a review if you are patient enough.

As for all the huge discussion of social justice in this thread, I would just like to say the following:

There is no need for being assholes. OK, you might not care about the number of POC and LGBT characters in the game, and I can perfectly understand that. OP does, though, and those that had nothing helpful at all to say should have just ignored this thread. Why try to change OP's worldview? She is just trying to make a very personal decision. If you don't like to use her criteria in order to decide whether to buy the game or not, don't use these criteria.
SHE!!!!!? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! DID YOU JUST ASSUME GENDER!!!!???? IT'S BAD ENOUGH YOU ALL ARE IN SUPPORT OF A WHITE SUPREMICIST GAME, BUT THIS?
avatar
duffyj08: SHE!!!!!? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! DID YOU JUST ASSUME GENDER!!!!???? IT'S BAD ENOUGH YOU ALL ARE IN SUPPORT OF A WHITE SUPREMICIST GAME, BUT THIS?
Is there a reason you feel the need to troll people?
avatar
duffyj08: SHE!!!!!? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! DID YOU JUST ASSUME GENDER!!!!???? IT'S BAD ENOUGH YOU ALL ARE IN SUPPORT OF A WHITE SUPREMICIST GAME, BUT THIS?
avatar
Moloch.: Is there a reason you feel the need to troll people?
Yes. There is.
low rated
avatar
Moloch.: Is there a reason you feel the need to troll people?
avatar
duffyj08: Yes. There is.
So, what is it?
If there are gays there also should be jihadi, hell-bent on stoning gays to death and you will have an option to side with either of them.
avatar
duffyj08: Yes. There is.
avatar
dtgreene: So, what is it?
You'll have to guess.
avatar
Katarack21: 1) Biological sex isn't that simple.
Transgender activist propaganda may have confused you, but biological sex is very simple, really. In the overwhelming majority of cases, sex is determined by the presence or absence of an Y chromosome. In case of chromosomal abnormalities, sexual phenotype is determined by the presence of an activated SRY gene. This XY sex determination system is highly conserved amongst Animalia; you cannot invalidate the very real, binary concept of biological sex and replace it with the deluded, contrived notion of 'gender' on the basis of the existence of very rare mutations and chromosomal aberrations.

avatar
Katarack21: Chromosomes are way more complicated then that--XYY is more common that schizophrenia,
You are incorrect. The prevalence of schizophrenia is 0.3%-0.7%, whereas the prevalence of 47,XYY syndrome is 0.003%. Those numbers are not even in the same ballpark. Sadly, transgender activists misrepresenting and obfuscating facts is the norm rather than the exception. Again, the existence of these abnormalities does not invalidate biological sex.

Sources:
DOI: 10.1371/journal.pmed.0020141
DOI: 10.1002/ajmg.c.31805

avatar
Katarack21: and the majority of people who have it never even realize they do but go their whole life thinking their normal males.
What orifice did you pull this nonsensical blanket statement from? Never mind, I don't want to know.

47,XYY comes with significant comorbidity, such as low muscle tone, learning disabilities, developmental disorders (ADHD, autism), infertility, ... The prevalence of comorbidities in 47,XYY syndrome is a staggering 80%-99%.

avatar
Katarack21: That isn't even getting into the weird things that can happen with hormones--androgen resistance is a real thing that can make a genetic XY person develop with a completely female body--or gene transposition like having a partial X chromosome overwrite the Y chromosome etc. Biological sex has *always* been more complicated then than the hard XX/XY dichotomy we simplify it as.
Why do you sound so sure of yourself when your rigour is so shallow?

Genetically male individuals with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS) do not have "completely female" bodies. There is a range of phenotypes spanning those with external female genitale to those with undermasculinised male genitals. Those with complete androgen insensitivity still have internal undescended testes and do not have a uterus. Since the prevalence of AIS is exceedingly low at 0.002%-0.005% and it is an intersex condition, this does not invalidate biological sex either.

avatar
Katarack21: 2) Biological sex has *nothing* to do with gender.
Sex is binary. Gender has no grounding in reality at all; transgenders are just LARPing as the opposite sex.

avatar
Katarack21: There can be and have been and currently *are* many, many societies with more than two gender positions, sometimes five or six,
Describe five of these "many" genders and the societies they come from.

avatar
Katarack21: and which gender you fall into is a social and psychological construct that is interrelated to how your biological sex is perceived by both yourself and others but is not dependent on it.
In other words, 'gender' is a figment. I do not perceive a hirsute woman with mastectomy scars and female genitalia as male. Trans men are not men, trans women are not women.

avatar
Katarack21: 3) I don't know that you're bigoted, but you are *definitely* ignorant. That's not a *value* judgement, it's a statement about your lack of knowledge regarding the genetics, physiology, and anthropology of both sex and gender.
The pot is calling the kettle black. Your post was filled with inaccurate statements and falsehoods, as I have demonstrated. TauLambda has done nothing but produce carefully weighed, scientifically accurate statements and calling a medical researcher 'ignorant' is the arrogance I have come to expect from woke types. If anyone lacks knowledge regarding genetics, physiology and anthropology of sex and gender, it is you.

What bothers me most about you woke people is that you seldom argue in good faith. You make up nonsense, yet confidently present it as absolute truth. Secretly you don't believe "trans (wo)men are (wo)men", yet you go along with the lie in fear of being cast out of your social group or 'canceled'.

I implore you, keep this gender nonsense out of Baldur's Gate 3 and gaming in general.
Post edited October 14, 2020 by Itsamnaaj
low rated
avatar
TauLambda: Where have I lied and where is my hate?
avatar
_Pax_: "Cult of woke" ... "leftist" ... pretty much half the words out of your damned mouth, really.
From one leftist to another: are you so thin skinned that you perceive criticism as hateful? How will you ever be able to debate and learn new ideas?
avatar
insightfulwhim: If there are gays there also should be jihadi, hell-bent on stoning gays to death and you will have an option to side with either of them.
Are you unironically homophobic?

One of the companions in Baldur's Gate 3, the vampire rogue, is gay and a romance option for the player character.
Post edited October 14, 2020 by Itsamnaaj
low rated
avatar
insightfulwhim: If there are gays there also should be jihadi, hell-bent on stoning gays to death and you will have an option to side with either of them.
avatar
Itsamnaaj: Are you unironically homophobic?

One of the companions in Baldur's Gate 3, the vampire rogue, is gay and a romance option for the player character.
Are you unironically islamophobic?
low rated
avatar
Itsamnaaj: Are you unironically homophobic?

One of the companions in Baldur's Gate 3, the vampire rogue, is gay and a romance option for the player character.
avatar
kmanitou: Are you unironically islamophobic?
Decent bait. Are you a master baiter?